Stuck on Quick Drop

[Q_Sertorius]

I don’t understand why someone would change the load or barrel length to align with some system. Why not just keep your dope on your rifle? What am I missing here?

 

[Wprinkle]

I don’t understand why someone would change the load or barrel length to align with some system. Why not just keep your dope on your rifle? What am I missing here?

Because its infinitely slower and and a decade or so behind the times. Why would I range something then look at a card and "get close" when I can hear a range and be with .1 mil within 1 second and never have to break position to dial or look at a card or phone? It is akin to dialing for wind or using MOA. Why do ten steps horribly when you can do 2 accurately.

 

[TimberHunter]

I don’t understand why someone would change the load or barrel length to align with some system. Why not just keep your dope on your rifle? What am I missing here?

You will learn young grasshopper. S2H will teach


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[Q_Sertorius]

Because its infinitely slower and and a decade or so behind the times. Why would I range something then look at a card and "get close" when I can hear a rance and be with .1 mil? It is akin to dialing for wind or using MOA. Why do ten steps horribly when you can do 2 accurately.

What ten steps am I doing? I am getting the range from my rangefinder and dialing to the number I have memorized with reference to the closest 50 yards. I already know automatically “300 yards means up 1.5 mils.” What’s faster than that? I’m certainly not plugging something into my phone for a shot at a real animal. That’s entirely impractical in a real hunting situation where I hunt.

The dope card in my pocket or on my rifle is just a backup for my memory. A refresher.

Are you getting the ballistic solution straight from your rangefinder? Or plugging the range into an app?

 

[HuntHarder]

What ten steps am I doing? I am getting the range from my rangefinder and dialing to the number I have memorized with reference to the closest 50 yards. I already know automatically “300 yards means up 1.5 mils.” What’s faster than that? I’m certainly not plugging something into my phone for a shot at a real animal. That’s entirely impractical in a real hunting situation where I hunt.

The dope card in my pocket or on my rifle is just a backup for my memory. A refresher.

Are you getting the ballistic solution straight from your rangefinder? Or plugging the range into an app?

At your S2H class coming up, Form will re-program you to "shoot on demand"

 

[Q_Sertorius]

At your S2H class coming up, Form will re-program you to "shoot on demand"

What does that mean?

 

[Wprinkle]

What ten steps am I doing? I am getting the range from my rangefinder and dialing to the number I have memorized with reference to the closest 50 yards. I already know automatically “300 yards means up 1.5 mils.” What’s faster than that? I’m certainly not plugging something into my phone for a shot at a real animal. That’s entirely impractical in a real hunting situation where I hunt.

The dope card in my pocket or on my rifle is just a backup for my memory. A refresher.

Are you getting the ballistic solution straight from your rangefinder? Or plugging the range into an app?well in the east where your blind is exactly x yards from your feeder

Well I’m sure you’re not aware of this but in The west we don’t have blinds set up at exact distances from the feeder where “300 yards” every time is a thing.. you have no clue what your hold is at 461 yards with a 12 mph full value wind.. quick drop gives you that in less than 2 seconds. No looking at a dope card or dialing.. I’m getting ballistic solutions from quick drop and wind brackets

 

[Wprinkle]

Since I learned about it a few years ago and really practiced it this summer/fall, I highly prefer a bullet/velocity that fits closely to QD. I rarely use my dope chart or phone when I’m practicing or hunting

For guys that are shooting really fast (think 6UM, 6PRC), etc), do you guys just rely on your phone/dope chart taped to the stock?


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its funny that you made a thread asking a specific question but there is always someone who knows absolutely friggin nothing about it has to chime in and give their ignorant and irrelevant input. like they do on EVERY SINGLE fn thread made..

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Well I’m sure you’re not aware of this but in The west we don’t have blinds set up at exact distances from the feeder where “300 yards” every time is a thing.. you have no clue what your hold is at 461 yards with a 12 mph full value wind.. quick drop gives you that in less than 2 seconds. No looking at a dope card or dialing.. I’m getting ballistic solutions from quick drop and wind brackets

Please stop making false assumptions and just answer the questions.

It’s illegal to hunt over a feeder in Virginia and I have never hunted from a blind or over bait. The only place I have ever seen anyone [legally] hunt that way was in Oklahoma. While that may not be *The West* to you, it is west of the Mississippi.

For your example, I would dial up 3.1 (or hold 3) with my 6.5. Or dial 2.7 (or hold 2.5) with my .25-06.

I have no clue how to tell that the wind is 10 or 12 mph. But I know that my hold for 10 mph at 450 is 1… and I wouldn’t be dialing it.

Again, “how are you getting the ballistic solution in two seconds?” And, “how does changing your powder charge or barrel length make it faster to do it your way?” They are honest questions and all you have to do is answer them.

 

[TimberHunter]

Please stop making false assumptions and just answer the questions.

It’s illegal to hunt over a feeder in Virginia and I have never hunted from a blind or over bait. The only place I have ever seen anyone [legally] hunt that way was in Oklahoma. While that may not be *The West* to you, it is west of the Mississippi.

For your example, I would dial up 3.1 (or hold 3).

I have no clue how to tell that the wind is 10 or 12 mph. But I know that my hold for 10 mph at 450 is 1… and I wouldn’t be dialing it.

Again, “how are you getting the ballistic solution in two seconds?” And, “how does changing your powder charge or barrel length make it faster to do it your way?” They are honest questions and all you have to do is answer them.

Answers:

Use quick drop. Example: 482 yards, dial 2.8 mil and shoot

Quick drop rule of thumb only lines up with certain BC bullets going between 2500-2700 ish. Hence the reason you tailor loads to fit those parameter so you are not reliant on dope cards, phones or electronics other than a range finding device

Again, you will learn young grasshopper


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[Q_Sertorius]

Answers:

Use quick drop. Example: 482 yards, dial 2.8 mil and shoot

Quick drop rule of thumb only lines up with certain BC bullets going between 2500-2700 ish. Hence the reason you tailor loads to fit those parameter so you are not reliant on dope cards, phones or electronics other than a range finding device

Again, you will learn young grasshopper


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Thank you.

You are using the quick drop formula Form describes here:

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/mk5-hd-vs-nx8-thoughts.245782/post-2397448

My question stemmed from the fact that I have a hard time accepting that I should want to chop an inch or two off my .25-06 barrel to get my velocity down into the quick drop MV range. Neutering my rifle’s terminal performance to conform to an estimation system just seems silly to me when I can get the same degree of estimation accuracy by starting with a rough idea from the Shooter app, getting actual data by shooting my rifle, recording the data, and learning my rifle. And, if not “silly”, it’s at least counterintuitive.

In the past, it made sense to me to memorize a few numbers out to max effective range. And knowing the drops within normal ranges for a specific rifle wasn’t hard when I used it all the time. If you shoot enough, you just know. It’s not like shot opportunities at the edge of my max effective range are that common where I hunt. Most of the time I would have to walk backwards a considerable distance to shoot at 450 (my maximum effective range for the 117-grain bullets in my .25-06). The longest shot opportunity I have had recently ended up being 201 yards (I never bothered to range until after the shot, I just estimated “about 200 yards”, held up a bit less than .5 mils, and dropped the animal).

On the other hand, I expect that once I start loading heavier bullets into the .25-06, the MV will drop into the 2600-2800 range. So, I will be able to use the intuitive quick drop formula and get better terminal performance. Win, win.

And, of course, hand loading my 6.5 CM to get it up into the 2600-2800 range, rather than being stuck with the relatively slow Hornady factory ammo, also makes sense for terminal performance reasons and allows using quick drop with it.

 

[Macintosh]

Q, youre smarter than me—I cant remember drops past relatively short range. Biggest benefit imo is having it “memorized” across different guns with a “double check” (wait was it 3.1 or 3.3 at…or was that my 7mm…), and easy memorization to longer range. Which may not be a benefit on the east coast, but is for some folks.
Im not at the point of building guns around it, but have to say its awful nice when it lines up.

 

[Jordan Smith]

Use quick drop. Example: 482 yards, dial 2.8 mil and shoot

Quick drop rule of thumb only lines up with certain BC bullets going between 2500-2700 ish.

Or faster/higher BC if you operate in meters instead of yards.

 

[Wprinkle]

Please stop making false assumptions and just answer the questions.

It’s illegal to hunt over a feeder in Virginia and I have never hunted from a blind or over bait. The only place I have ever seen anyone [legally] hunt that way was in Oklahoma. While that may not be *The West* to you, it is west of the Mississippi.

For your example, I would dial up 3.1 (or hold 3) with my 6.5. Or dial 2.7 (or hold 2.5) with my .25-06.

I have no clue how to tell that the wind is 10 or 12 mph. But I know that my hold for 10 mph at 450 is 1… and I wouldn’t be dialing it.

Again, “how are you getting the ballistic solution in two seconds?” And, “how does changing your powder charge or barrel length make it faster to do it your way?” They are honest questions and all you have to do is answer them.

The title of the fn thread had “quick drop” in it. What the hell did you think we were using to get ballistic solutions? Then you post a link to quick drop being explained. All you do is troll every thread made on here and regurgitate information you heard second hand.. then reaffirm you own question with said secondhand regurgitated information that you have no clue the mechanics or case use of. Instead of spending all your time regurgitating information maybe you should take you 25-06 out and actually learn something and experience failure points so you can actually contribute.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

its funny that you made a thread asking a specific question but there is always someone who knows absolutely friggin nothing about it has to chime in and give their ignorant and irrelevant input. like they do on EVERY SINGLE fn thread made..

It’s funny that your only response(s) to the OP’s question was to tell him to use a set of range finding binoculars with built in ballistics and post some dumb memes. In short, to tell him that if the QD rule of thumb doesn’t work, then to rely on technology. Which is all well and good until it isn’t, as Marbles pointed out.

And, then, when some people mentioned neutering the rifle to make it conform, others questioned why you would want to neuter the rifle to make it conform to the QD rule of thumb. And your response was to get totally sarcastic, condescending, and insulting.

In short, apart from “buy yourself way out of the problem”, you didn’t provide anything useful to the thread.

It would appear that for rifles where quick drop doesn’t work, there are some reasonable solutions.
1. Range finding binoculars with built in ballistics
2. Tape on your turrets
3. Rote memorization of manageable increments with reference to DOPE

Does anyone have another method? Because that’s how I interpreted the OP’s question. He was asking for solutions when the rifle is too fast for QD.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

The title of the fn thread had “quick drop” in it. What the hell did you think we were using to get ballistic solutions? Then you post a link to quick drop being explained. All you do is troll every thread made on here and regurgitate information you heard second hand.. then reaffirm you own question with said secondhand regurgitated information that you have no clue the mechanics or case use of. Instead of spending all your time regurgitating information maybe you should take you 25-06 out and actually learn something and experience failure points so you can actually contribute.

I went searching for other possible solutions to the problem posed by the OP.

As for the rest of it, if you don’t like my attempts to learn things from people here and be helpful, you are free to ignore me or not respond. But since all you seem able to do is condescend and insult anyone who doesn’t immediately agree with you, that may be impossible for you.

 

[longrangelead]

14.5" 243
108's @ 2710
avg gun QD(5000 DA)
38.5" end to end

avg gun Quick drop is range minus 2 (move the decimal but that becomes automatic, I mention it so people understand it)

400yds becomes 4.00
4-2 =2 Mil

600yds -2 =4Mil

742yds -2 =5.4 Mils

it's super easy to remember and convert. You can range it and do the math while you reach for the turret.
it also works across platforms and calibers, less to remember.

I have a limited hard drive. the less I have to remember, the better.

QD has a range of velocity and BC it works in. Above or below that, the quick answer is electronic solutions or a drop card.

 

[Wprinkle]

It’s funny that your only response(s) to the OP’s question was to tell him to use a set of range finding binoculars with built in ballistics and post some dumb memes. In short, to tell him that if the QD rule of thumb doesn’t work, then to rely on technology. Which is all well and good until it isn’t, as Marbles pointed out.

And, then, when some people mentioned neutering the rifle to make it conform, others questioned why you would want to neuter the rifle to make it conform to the QD rule of thumb. And your response was to get totally sarcastic, condescending, and insulting.

In short, apart from “buy yourself way out of the problem”, you didn’t provide anything useful to the thread.

It would appear that for rifles where quick drop doesn’t work, there are some reasonable solutions.
1. Range finding binoculars with built in ballistics
2. Tape on your turrets
3. Rote memorization of manageable increments with reference to DOPE

Does anyone have another method? Because that’s how I interpreted the OP’s question. He was asking for solutions when the rifle is too fast for QD.

My answer to his question was told to him on the phone, he posted the meme and again all you do is troll and regurgitate. You well articulate it into words but that’s about it.

 

[HuntHarder]

My answer to his question was told to him on the phone, he posted the meme and again all you do is troll and regurgitate. You well articulate it into words but that’s about it.

Maybe think about typing it out on the forum. It may help another guy with similar questions. I was curious as well and came to the conclusion, QD if it doesn't lineup easily, is not any quicker than what I do. Range, dope card and send it.