Thanks for the input. I was thinking of carrying a kelvin lite vest as well if it was gonna be real cold.
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Have used the Grumman jacket and pants the last two years. From minus 14 degrees upward, some heavy snowstorms and a couple of soaks.
Instead of saying things like “it’s an oven”, or “it’s like the surface of the sun”, etc. instead treat it like a sleeping bag. No real puff outfit is made to move in. They are static layers. The way I see it is to find out what is the temperature that allows absolute comfort (sitting on your couch watching TV comfort) with ZERO movement, while keeping feet, head, hands warm to avoid that variable.
Wearing a thin base layer (think Patagonia lvl 1), a lighter weight fleece (Patagonia R1), the puff jacket, and a wind blocker with no movement for several hours- The Grumman is around a 35 degree jacket/pants. This is across multiple people in varied weather. Very few were good down to 30 degrees, and a couple were good only to around 38-40 degrees. The majority had to start doing something to stay warm- slight shivering, rubbing arms, little movement, etc., below 35.
If you move at all it throws everything out of wack. With just a bit of very slow hiking, several were overheated in below zero temps. It’s why a comparison of warmth when movement whatsoever is involved is nearly useless without a detailed description of personal body heat and metabolism, temperature and activity, boots, socks, head gear, etc.
Have used the Grumman jacket and pants the last two years. From minus 14 degrees upward, some heavy snowstorms and a couple of soaks.
Instead of saying things like “it’s an oven”, or “it’s like the surface of the sun”, etc. instead treat it like a sleeping bag. No real puff outfit is made to move in. They are static layers. The way I see it is to find out what is the temperature that allows absolute comfort (sitting on your couch watching TV comfort) with ZERO movement, while keeping feet, head, hands warm to avoid that variable.
Wearing a thin base layer (think Patagonia lvl 1), a lighter weight fleece (Patagonia R1), the puff jacket, and a wind blocker with no movement for several hours- The Grumman is around a 35 degree jacket/pants. This is across multiple people in varied weather. Very few were good down to 30 degrees, and a couple were good only to around 38-40 degrees. The majority had to start doing something to stay warm- slight shivering, rubbing arms, little movement, etc., below 35.
If you move at all it throws everything out of wack. With just a bit of very slow hiking, several were overheated in below zero temps. It’s why a comparison of warmth when movement whatsoever is involved is nearly useless without a detailed description of personal body heat and metabolism, temperature and activity, boots, socks, head gear, etc.
Have used the Grumman jacket and pants the last two years. From minus 14 degrees upward, some heavy snowstorms and a couple of soaks.
Instead of saying things like “it’s an oven”, or “it’s like the surface of the sun”, etc. instead treat it like a sleeping bag. No real puff outfit is made to move in. They are static layers. The way I see it is to find out what is the temperature that allows absolute comfort (sitting on your couch watching TV comfort) with ZERO movement, while keeping feet, head, hands warm to avoid that variable.
Wearing a thin base layer (think Patagonia lvl 1), a lighter weight fleece (Patagonia R1), the puff jacket, and a wind blocker with no movement for several hours- The Grumman is around a 35 degree jacket/pants. This is across multiple people in varied weather. Very few were good down to 30 degrees, and a couple were good only to around 38-40 degrees. The majority had to start doing something to stay warm- slight shivering, rubbing arms, little movement, etc., below 35.
If you move at all it throws everything out of wack. With just a bit of very slow hiking, several were overheated in below zero temps. It’s why a comparison of warmth when movement whatsoever is involved is nearly useless without a detailed description of personal body heat and metabolism, temperature and activity, boots, socks, head gear, etc.
Take a look at the Kobuk or Torre parka, and Kobuk pants from Nunatak. XL Kobuk has 12oz of 900fp down and you can have overfill added to your specs, treated or untreated down is available. The Torre is warmer than the Kobuk but they don't list the fill weight chart on it. Materials range from 10d up to 40d for the shell, custom sleeve and torso lengths available as well. Pricey, but made exactly how you want. @White Mamba is the one he made this one for I believe.
Form, is the Arcteryx COLD WX SVX Parka and Bib fairly quiet? Being made of a nylon weave I am concerned about the noise. For the thick woods hunting I do, to have a deer come within a few feet is not uncommon so noise is a concern. Last year I was tree standing hunting in -30C (-22F) with strong winds and I frozen in my Sitka Fanatic jack and bids after about 2 hours of being motionless. The Arcteryx system sounds like just the ticket if quiet.
Thanks Form, was afraid that was the answer. The search continues I guess *sigh
