Stone Glacier Grumman jacket and pants

[slowelk]

I don't think you'd want to pack that Arcteryx COLD series due to the bulk. Hunting is gear is a compromise area, not everything can simultaneously keep you warm, dry, cool while hiking and sitting. Quality insulated jackets and pants get you 90% of the way there, but nothing you are going to want to pack is going to keep you warm down to zero in a static situation. If you're sitting for a long time, build a fire you can tend and return to to warm up for long sits. We are hunting ungulates, not Osama.

 

[Formidilosus]

We are hunting ungulates, not Osama.

What’s the actual difference?

Hunting in the mountains, is hunting in the mountains. Only in one environment you may be able to build a fire, and in another you should not. Are you saying because someone is glassing for elk in November, that they should build a fire or be cold... because...?


No thank you, I’ll take attire that will keep me warm without the use of a fire. It takes approx 12-14 ounces of high quality down in a coat to make it to 0° static. Same for pants. That’s packable, amd no one that has a clue cares if their insulation layers keeps them cool while hiking.

 

[slowelk]

What’s the actual difference?

Hunting in the mountains, is hunting in the mountains. Only in one environment you may be able to build a fire, and in another you should not. Are you saying because someone is glassing for elk in November, that they should build a fire or be cold... because...?


No thank you, I’ll take attire that will keep me warm without the use of a fire. It takes approx 12-14 ounces of high quality down in a coat to make it to 0° static. Same for pants. That’s packable, amd no one that has a clue cares if their insulation layers keeps them cool while hiking.

I'd say you have a little (a lot) more liberty to get up and warm yourself with fire or movement during a long glassing session in November looking for ungulates. In my experience, smoke from a fire or airsquats and jumping jacks behind cover do not spook elk, whereas that may be different in a spec ops situation.

I guess you can have whatever you want if your budget for a jacket is $1700, and even then, I bet my feet would be cold.

 

[Formidilosus]

I'd say you have a little (a lot) more liberty to get up and warm yourself with fire or movement during a long glassing session in November looking for ungulates. In my experience, smoke from a fire or airsquats and jumping jacks behind cover do not spook elk, whereas that may be different in a spec ops situation.

I guess you can have whatever you want if your budget for a jacket is $1700, and even then, I bet my feet would be cold.

Absolutely agree on all. I’m not suggesting that people should buy a nearly $3,000 puff suit. I was merely stating that’s what it would take to get below zero while static. Feet are the hard part as you said.

From what I’ve seen, very few people are actually hunting really cold conditions, and of those that do, none of them are staying still for long. Or at least I haven’t talked to, or seen anyone else sit and glass without moving for hours at a time in truly cold weather. The only ones I’ve seen do it are the people I hunt with. A lot of times we do build a fire, but expensive, technical synthetic clothing reacts poorly to embers and heat. Most people probably don’t have multiple $300-600 down jackets in the closet. Every time we build a fire, someone burns a hole in their clothing.

I don't like to be cold at all while sitting still. If it’s below 60° I’m taking a puff jacket and pants and not thin ones. The SG Grumman is my general insulation layer from 30°-50°’s. What I don’t have, and what is missing from the market is a true say 5°-20° puff jacket and pants. The FL Chamberlin is close on the jacket- needs to have about 2-3 more ounces of down, and treated- but there is nothing on the general market for pants.