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Background: early season hunt (late September/early October dates). I have scouted a location that has a lot of deer (does, fawns, small bucks, and medium size bucks), I know there are big deer but I have not personally found any. I have scouted other locations with less deer as well, again no big buck sightings. All areas have good road access.

Should I hunt where I find the biggest concentration of deer or hunt in lesser concentrated areas? Goal is a big mature buck.
 
If your goal is a mature buck and you’re not finding any where you’ve scouted and you feel like you’ve scouted good enough then I would leave. I know it’s hard to leave deer but if those big bucks aren’t there, you’re hunting ghosts. That time of year the big bucks aren’t going to be moving into areas to stage for rut or winter so I don’t think that you should be expecting a big buck to just appear one early October morning.

With that being said, if this is an area that you have hunted in the past and there’s generally mature bucks there, maybe dig a little deeper.

I think it’s tough to leave deer but sometimes you just have to, especially if you’re looking for a bigger buck.

Is this hunt desert, brush country, forested, sub alpine, alpine??
 
I would move, deer in August are generally still pretty visible.

You may not have to move far, where I hunt this time of year big deer are in groups of 3 or 4 and occupy little pockets here and there and I have to cover a fairly large amount of these pockets before I find some.

Also curious if you know there are big deer there specifically or in the unit in general?
 
I would move. During season I spend an evening and morning glassing. If I don’t locate a good deer in there I move that afternoon to the next spot or next basin. The exception is weather that time of year like snow/cold snap may spend an extra day if it looks ideal.

Last year I fell into the trap of putting my eggs into one basket packed in 6 miles and spend 4 out of my 9 days in a spot because I “felt” like a mature deer would be there. Saw scouting tons of deer but nothing mature. Don’t do that you are hunting a ghost. Keep moving, that time of year they’re either there or not. Obviously yes you could turn one up sitting on those deer but with scouting and not seeing any you’re doing exactly what I did. I ate tag soup, learn from my mistake cover ground. I knew better too but let my ego of this spot get in the way.
 
Background: early season hunt (late September/early October dates). I have scouted a location that has a lot of deer (does, fawns, small bucks, and medium size bucks), I know there are big deer but I have not personally found any. I have scouted other locations with less deer as well, again no big buck sightings. All areas have good road access.

Should I hunt where I find the biggest concentration of deer or hunt in lesser concentrated areas? Goal is a big mature buck.

Mule deer behave a little differently in different ecosystems, especially if they migrate or not. What general area are we talking about, and what type of terrain (Colorado timber, NV high desert, etc)?

More generally though, when you find concentrations of muleys, it's commonly because they've got a great food supply right there, fairly local. The more arid and desert we're talking, the more they will concentrate on those sparser places while they feed. They may commute a bit from better shelter, but if they're in any given spot in higher numbers, it's usually because of the feed situation.

And the more deer there are in that locale you're talking about, the higher likelihood you'll find a buck older than 4 or 5 years, often one that matured out of that very herd - but they'll generally be on the far periphery of where that herd tends to congregate (up to a mile or two, sometimes more). Everything comes down to security for those big, older bucks. So those herds are there because food is there, but those herds are also predator magnets, and the big, older bucks will often use them as an early-warning system. Often, that means finding them in places very secure from approach, that gives them good awareness with their eyes, ears, and especially noses, as well as escape routes. Usually, if terrain permits, well above and often overlooking the herd. Even better if it has good positioning for thermals.

Think of that herd you've found - now think of where you could overlook it, with your back to a secure spot a predator couldn't get over or through easily, with lots of shade, where the prevailing wind might come from behind you, but the thermals would come from below you in the morning and from above in the evening, and you'd hear or see anything coming from the sides. That's often what those big bucks are looking for. Those spots are so good, that if a big buck gets taken in one, a couple of years later there will often be another big one there - because it helps in their daily survival.

All that said, there are always exceptions, and you can find a buck almost anywhere that has shade. But I wouldn't walk away from that herd you've found - I'd use it as a starting point to begin thoroughly hunting its periphery. It's the biggest lead you have in finding a big buck.
 
When you say you know, how do you know?
I have a friend that hunts/scouts the same areas and he has seen big bucks in the same general areas. Also, from years past, I have seen big deer get taken from the same general area. Same general area as in a couple of drainages next to each other.
 
If your goal is a mature buck and you’re not finding any where you’ve scouted and you feel like you’ve scouted good enough then I would leave. I know it’s hard to leave deer but if those big bucks aren’t there, you’re hunting ghosts. That time of year the big bucks aren’t going to be moving into areas to stage for rut or winter so I don’t think that you should be expecting a big buck to just appear one early October morning.

With that being said, if this is an area that you have hunted in the past and there’s generally mature bucks there, maybe dig a little deeper.

I think it’s tough to leave deer but sometimes you just have to, especially if you’re looking for a bigger buck.

Is this hunt desert, brush country, forested, sub alpine, alpine??
Sub alpine. Easy access, otc tag, wooded timber stands
 
When were the big bucks killed? Same season dates? During the same hunt?

Maybe they are tucked away and nocturnal. But opening morning and a bunch of shooting kicks them out to move? Big bucks get killed by luck all the time. Someone is in the right spot at the right time. Hard to plan on that though. But in high traffic high pressure areas might be better to hunt based off of what other hunters do and where the escape routes are? Otherwise keep looking til you find what you want
 
Deer are slightly different from place to place, but it’s fairly common for older bucks to not share the same elevation or at least locations of does/fawns/forkies. I’ve seen photos of them on the same hillside in Utah, but that may or may not match your location. In western Wyoming old deer are generally higher, more secluded, stay bedded longer and just seem more sneaky than does.

My judge of where to hunt in lower areas without a lot of topography has sometimes come down to what draws or hillsides can I rush through like a mad man going full speed and kick up bedded older bucks. While scouting this way if the only deer are does I’m in the wrong place. I’m even happy if scouting turns up recent footprints in bedding areas that a 270 or 7 mag can fit in since those are mature bucks and it’s just not currently being used, but may be during the season. For simplicity sake I like to imagine all deer have 3 places they prefer to live, and kicked out of one go to another, then another, and back where they started if need be, rather than just randomly roaming around. If I find one bedding area my brain automatically looks around for another couple other locations a few miles apart. Tagged deer don’t really follow this pattern, but it is a good way to train your brain for identifying bedding areas.

It’s a weird concept, but some old solitary deer hunting requires you to have a good enough feel for where old deer like to hang out that you can hunt for a week without seeing a single buck in the daylight knowing a bruiser may be right around the corner, or has been hidden in his bedding area watching you all week waiting for darkness to hide his movements each evening. I don’t think they are smart as much as shy or paranoid. If you ever have a chance to play with a pet deer they are quite jumpy, twitchy, and paranoid at all times even when playing.
 
Background: early season hunt (late September/early October dates). I have scouted a location that has a lot of deer (does, fawns, small bucks, and medium size bucks), I know there are big deer but I have not personally found any. I have scouted other locations with less deer as well, again no big buck sightings. All areas have good road access.

Should I hunt where I find the biggest concentration of deer or hunt in lesser concentrated areas? Goal is a big mature buck.
Background: early season hunt (late September/early October dates). I have scouted a location that has a lot of deer (does, fawns, small bucks, and medium size bucks), I know there are big deer but I have not personally found any. I have scouted other locations with less deer as well, again no big buck sightings. All areas have good road access.

Should I hunt where I find the biggest concentration of deer or hunt in lesser concentrated areas? Goal is a big mature buck.
It’s a tough decision, leave deer to find bigger deer. Like what was already said, if you’re sure where you are there are no big bucks than I would definitely move. However, and probably why you’re asking this question, you haven’t really seen all the deer you think are in the area. It’s best to have more than one place in mind when the hunt comes around, so I would continue to scout there looking for a bigger buck, but I have an A, B and C game plan.
 
When you say easy access do you mean heavily roaded?

Have you tried trail cams in the timber?
The spot is easy to access and overlook. Yes, I have trail cameras but have not turned up anything big. Trail cams can only cover so many trails.
 
When were the big bucks killed? Same season dates? During the same hunt?

Maybe they are tucked away and nocturnal. But opening morning and a bunch of shooting kicks them out to move? Big bucks get killed by luck all the time. Someone is in the right spot at the right time. Hard to plan on that though. But in high traffic high pressure areas might be better to hunt based off of what other hunters do and where the escape routes are? Otherwise keep looking til you find what you want
Same dates, same hunt, from prior years. A big buck is a mature buck regardless of antler size. Most of those bucks are probably just right place at the right time, but they are somewhere in the vicinity.
 
The spot is easy to access and overlook. Yes, I have trail cameras but have not turned up anything big. Trail cams can only cover so many trails.
I’d look elsewhere. Between glassing and trail cams I’d assume you’d turn them up if they were in there Big deer in the past doesn’t mean big deer now. IMO there’s greener pasture you just need to find them. Maybe try hiking into a few spots with harder access.
 
I’d look elsewhere. Between glassing and trail cams I’d assume you’d turn them up if they were in there Big deer in the past doesn’t mean big deer now. IMO there’s greener pasture you just need to find them. Maybe try hiking into a few spots with harder access.
I agree with the above! There’s gotta be country that can’t be seen from this overlook. Go there! It may be a seemingly small area but I’ve seen big bucks live in some “undercover” spots.
 
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