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While I agree he won’t be the first or last to get blackballed for his views/advocacy/field et el it also raises the question when people reach high public profile what is the burden of proof? With deepfakes and hacking it would be easy to cry fake over any and all charges. The timing on this is just too convenient. Like the studio kept it quiet long enough to get the movie into theaters and a couple weeks of box office


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I don't disagree. I guess the crux of the issue is; does child sex trafficking happen? The answer to that is yes. On how large a scale is unknown, or at least tries to remain undetermined.

 
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While I agree he won’t be the first or last to get blackballed for his views/advocacy/field et el it also raises the question when people reach high public profile what is the burden of proof? With deepfakes and hacking it would be easy to cry fake over any and all charges. The timing on this is just too convenient. Like the studio kept it quiet long enough to get the movie into theaters and a couple weeks of box office


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If you find the timing inconvenient, consider that some of these issues go back to at least 2020.

Sure, it's possible this entire thing is a giant, well-orchestrated conspiracy to discredit a man and organization in order to keep the scourge of human trafficking quiet so that they(?) can continue benefitting from that system.

Or, in my mind, more likely, Ballard and OUR got involved in some unethical practices to generate content and views to keep cash flowing their way (not unlike we see in the hunting influencer space), maybe over sensationalized certain content, or who knows, got themselves mixed up in financial misrepresentation as a 501c3. The vibe I get from the dude is that he's very egotistical with a savior complex. It wouldn't shock me if the allegations of sexual harassment were true.
 

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I don't disagree. I guess the crux of the issue is; does child sex trafficking happen? The answer to that is yes. On how large a scale is unknown, or at least tries to remain undetermined.


I don’t think it has anything to do with child sex trafficking. Of course it is happening it’s been going on for millennia and this organization is hardly the only or the first. Even that headline “one man’s mission…” is propagandizing. He is probably the most vocal activist. His actual work lies not in actual stopping of trafficking but in visibility and advocacy.


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If you find the timing inconvenient, consider that some of these issues go back to at least 2020.

Sure, it's possible this entire thing is a giant, well-orchestrated conspiracy to discredit a man and organization in order to keep the scourge of human trafficking quiet so that they(?) can continue benefitting from that system.

Or, in my mind, more likely, Ballard and OUR got involved in some unethical practices to generate content and views to keep cash flowing their way (not unlike we see in the hunting influencer space), maybe over sensationalized certain content, or who knows, got themselves mixed up in financial misrepresentation as a 501c3. The vibe I get from the dude is that he's very egotistical with a savior complex. It wouldn't shock me if the allegations of sexual harassment were true.
Yeah, I remember something about a Russian Collusion in the recent past also. 🧐
 

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Powerful movie about an absolutely disgusting illegal industry.......and to think here in CA the legislators voted to be lax in the sentencing of these child trafficking and porn cases. There was such a objection...they had to go back and take a look.

Be sure to stick around for the message 2 min after the credits;

Shocking it took them 5 years to get that movie on the big screen.
 

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Here's JP Sears talking about the attack on Tim Ballard. Not sure exactly when he recorded this but it probably answers some of what's been said recently.

 

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The older I get, the more skeptical I become. I absolutely believe there is child trafficking and slavery, but I mean that I suspect anyone can be both good, or doing good, but still have an ulterior parallel motive, or be more complicated than it appears initially. Trust but verify, or some variation on that.

FWIW - I pulled up and skimmed the most recent (2021) OUR Form 990 (tax return filed with the IRS). TL;DR - there is nothing it that shocks me (especially compared to the NRA's returns). I do note the following:
  • they receive a lot of revenue ($40mm, and almost $46mm the year before), have a good amount of assets ($68mm and $82mm, respectively), and very little debt - seems positive
  • a majority of the board is listed as independent - good sign
  • they have a written conflict of interest policy, and other governance provisions - not all do
  • Tim's total listed comp is $355k - fine, and total comp for high level execs - $1.8mm
  • 3 of the top 4 independent contractors were law firms, with a total paid to them of over $1.6mm, including over $500k for employment related matters
  • There are some reported transactions with related parties, but not major IMHO
 
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Has anyone had any issues with the movie not playing at theaters? There's a bunch of videos on TikTok saying that theaters are claiming the movie is sold out but when people go, the theater is empty. Or things like the audio won't work, etc.
 
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Has anyone had any issues with the movie not playing at theaters? There's a bunch of videos on TikTok saying that theaters are claiming the movie is sold out but when people go, the theater is empty. Or things like the audio won't work, etc.
The creators made a "pay it forward" ticket system. Boosts sales numbers and lets people see the movie for free, but I bet theaters aren't set up to really pay it forward effectively and end up booking those seats as full. Not sure how it all works though, so I could be totally wrong about the cause of empty sold out theaters.

Edit to add, maybe the issues with audio you mentioned (and lights, AC, etc mentioned elsewhere) are that there are so many empty "sold out" showings that the theaters are just ignoring those rooms during off peak hours showings since they're mostly empty. Just a guess.
 
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While I agree he won’t be the first or last to get blackballed for his views/advocacy/field et el it also raises the question when people reach high public profile what is the burden of proof? With deepfakes and hacking it would be easy to cry fake over any and all charges. The timing on this is just too convenient. Like the studio kept it quiet long enough to get the movie into theaters and a couple weeks of box office


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Or, they are trying to destroy him for bringing this to light with a huge movie. Somebody accused him of something. Must be true, child trafficking must be a conspiracy theory. Trump is a rapist, Andrew Tate is a human trafficker, Biden is a true patriot and greatest president of all time. Covid will kill everyone who isn't vaccinated and masks will protect you, unless you are eating or in a BLM riot. Then you don't need one. I'm sure the media is telling the truth.
 

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Or, they are trying to destroy him for bringing this to light with a huge movie. Somebody accused him of something. Must be true, child trafficking must be a conspiracy theory. Trump is a rapist, Andrew Tate is a human trafficker, Biden is a true patriot and greatest president of all time. Covid will kill everyone who isn't vaccinated and masks will protect you, unless you are eating or in a BLM riot. Then you don't need one. I'm sure the media is telling the truth.

If he’s guilty he destroyed himself, not the media.
Also- referencing Andrew Tate- the rapist human trafficker is probably not a strong position in line with OURs values.

By your logic simply advocating for victim awareness is a pass for bad behavior? This guy was such a prominent figure of that organization they’re not going to remove him over some media bias.

If it took a movie to bring child trafficking to light you’ve got your head under a rock. There’s a dozen other orgs that do what OUR does. He was also removed from the Nazarene project, is that a bastion of liberal thought and mainstream media?
 
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Or, they are trying to destroy him for bringing this to light with a huge movie. Somebody accused him of something. Must be true, child trafficking must be a conspiracy theory. Trump is a rapist, Andrew Tate is a human trafficker, Biden is a true patriot and greatest president of all time. Covid will kill everyone who isn't vaccinated and masks will protect you, unless you are eating or in a BLM riot. Then you don't need one. I'm sure the media is telling the truth.
A common complaint about this movie is that it portrays human trafficking in a sensational light, different from how it most commonly is manifested in real life. Considering that common critique among human trafficking experts, it's telling that you would lump Andrew Tate, currently facing charges for rape and human trafficking, into this conversation as a victim.
 
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