I'm in this camp too. I put the contractor bag in my pack first and stuff my sleeping bag, puffy, and any extra clothes I don't want to get wet in then twist the top and fold it down. There are so many other uses for the contractor bag and makes it more versatile than a stuff sack.I’m also a stuffer with one little change. I put it in a black trash bag without tying it or anything and just stuff it on the bottom. Just extra assurance for me to keep it dry and clean. The trash bag will double for a field dressing aid if I’m lucky