I still like the older Forest pattern for the exact conditions that they made Subalpine for... elk in subalpine timber at very close range. The last bull I killed was at 8 yards. And last season I had a cow running up a game trail right at me and when she finally noticed something blocking the trail, she pulled up at about 6 yds, staring at me. The young (but legal) bull that had been pestering her, came around to my right and stopped at about 12 yds, and we had a 'Good, Bad and Ugly' standoff for a few minutes, until I tried slowly raising my bow and spooked them. Until then, they didn't know what I was. So... if y'all are going to switch to the Subalpine pattern and want to sell your old Forest pattern gear (M pants and L tops)... get a hold of me!