SilencerCo Scythe Ti failures

[jpengel]

Haven't read all 56 pages, so let me know if this has already ben asked, but....has anyone tried to return their scythe to SilencerCo or their dealer? Lifetime warrantee means that if one wanted too they could just shoot until failure, get it fixed, and repeat forever. So if they accepted a return it would actually save them money.

Obviously you would have to eat the $200 tax stamp, but at this point i would be happy to do that if it meant i could get rid of this lemon of a can.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Whenf mine goes I’ll gladly take the STM replacement. Unless the repair evolves into a lasting one.

Yeah, I’d take almost any silencer they make just to have the scythe gone. Shit, I’d even take a sparrow in a straight across trade from them just to move on from the scythe.

 

[Bater]

Haven't read all 56 pages, so let me know if this has already ben asked, but....has anyone tried to return their scythe to SilencerCo or their dealer? Lifetime warrantee means that if one wanted too they could just shoot until failure, get it fixed, and repeat forever. So if they accepted a return it would actually save them money.

Obviously you would have to eat the $200 tax stamp, but at this point i would be happy to do that if it meant i could get rid of this lemon of a can.

I would return mine tomorrow if they would take it back. Not sure it anyone’s tried.

 

[3 oh 8]

I got my can back in 7 days after sending it in . Looks like a brand new one . Still has same serial number . Hope it’s a new and improved version !!!

Dropped mine off on a Monday, Fedex delivered it Wednesday...Wednesday afternoon it was shipped back and I got it Friday morning. Highly doubt they re welded it in a couple hours...my guess is its new with the same serial number..

 

[HairyScandinavian]

Exactly.

It would be interesting to film another failure in real time (I know there was already one posted in here several pages back). Shoot well under the accepted rate of fire and show it failing with factory ammo. Might get SiCo's attention, although I don't think much came from the other documented failure.

They know darn well people aren't abusing them, they just want plausible deniability for marketing purposes.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Haven't read all 56 pages, so let me know if this has already ben asked, but....has anyone tried to return their scythe to SilencerCo or their dealer? Lifetime warrantee means that if one wanted too they could just shoot until failure, get it fixed, and repeat forever. So if they accepted a return it would actually save them money.

Obviously you would have to eat the $200 tax stamp, but at this point i would be happy to do that if it meant i could get rid of this lemon of a can.

You mean return it for a refund? They won’t accept it.

The reality is that they are selling thousands of these, but most are only getting fired a few times a year. And they are confident - somehow - that they can blame user error for the few failures. The problem is that almost none of their restrictions are listed in the manual, marketing materials, or anywhere else.

Did the user shoot reloads? Yes? User’s fault.
Did the user shoot more than 10 rpm? Yes? User’s fault.

Titanium’s enemy is excessive heat. If it gets too hot, it gets brittle. And being really thin both contributes to how fast it heats up and how likely it is to break. These cans get stressed once and then they can blow at any time.

Their stance is the complete opposite of what you see if you go to a website like that for the Airlock. All the safety factors for the Airlock are there on the page where you decide to click purchase or not.

 

[peaches]

I lost track of this thread at about 30 pages and now we are at 55, so admittedly I have not read them all. But I was wondering if we’ve heard anything from SiCo? At what point does this reach lemon law standards, not that that’s a thing with suppressors. I just want my money back at this point, waiting for the can to blow is no fun. You would think failing to recall these suppressors and reissue cans that don’t have the same known structural fail points would be a huge liability for them. My Airlock ZG’s won’t be here before my hunting season kicks off so fingers crossed…

I wrote Sico about our collective concerns. To sum up their response: there isn't a problem. Failure rate is well below 1% and majority is from 'abuse'.

I'd do a swap also at this point. Mine will stay on a 6 arc or 17 inch 308. Has anyone actually been hurt by a can letting go?

 

[Axlrod]

The SilencerCo line is that the maximum rate of fire for the Scythe is 10 RPM with factory ammunition and all failures are due to user abuse.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on this thread that a guy got an email from them saying it was a weld failure. But I'm not going to go back through it.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I wrote Sico about our collective concerns. To sum up their response: there isn't a problem. Failure rate is well below 1% and majority is from 'abuse'.

I'd do a swap also at this point. Mine will stay on a 6 arc or 17 inch 308. Has anyone actually been hurt by a can letting go?

Yes.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on this thread that a guy got an email from them saying it was a weld failure. But I'm not going to go back through it.

They have never said the “weld failure” is their fault. Legally, it would be stupid for them to do so.

 

[peaches]

Well, I wrote them back and said they need to address this. I asked about swapping for a STM. I will insist if mine ever lets go.

I kind of think now the whole TI thing is a bad idea for high pressure rounds in general.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Well, I wrote them back and said they need to address this. I asked about swapping for a STM. I will insist if mine ever lets go.

I kind of think now the whole TI thing is a bad idea for high pressure rounds in general.

Titanium is not a problem if it is kept thick enough. Another ounce of material in the right places would probably go a long way towards making the Scythe more durable and safe.

 

[Axlrod]

They have never said the “weld failure” is their fault. Legally, it would be stupid for them to do so.

Well if you're going to call me a liar, i WILL read through the thread!

from post #647:
I received the following response in red this morning (1 week later).

Hello,

According to my warranty team, your Scythe had a weld failure. Likely due to some sort of defect when the silencer was initially welded. They re-cored and IPG welded your silencer so it's about 75% brand new! I wouldn't worry about such a thing ever happening again.

 

[mtwarden]

Has anyone actually been hurt by a can letting go?

Yes

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Well if you're going to call me a liar, i WILL read through the thread!

from post #647:
I received the following response in red this morning (1 week later).

Hello,

According to my warranty team, your Scythe had a weld failure. Likely due to some sort of defect when the silencer was initially welded. They re-cored and IPG welded your silencer so it's about 75% brand new! I wouldn't worry about such a thing ever happening again.

I stand corrected. I wasn’t calling you a liar though. Thanks.

 

[Bater]

Well, I wrote them back and said they need to address this. I asked about swapping for a STM. I will insist if mine ever lets go.

I kind of think now the whole TI thing is a bad idea for high pressure rounds in general.

Why? Are other brands/models failing at near these rates?

 

[peaches]

If you mean my comment about TI cans in general? Yes, there are reports of Dead Air and OCL ti can failures. I can't personally verify but they reported. If thermal breakdown is a negative aspect to TI, then possibly is should not be used in suppressors as they do tend to get HOT. Just an observation.

 

[HuntHarder]

Yes

Link? I saw a couple guy's got scoped when theirs let loose. I know of some serious injuries with other cans failing. ( broken clavicle's)

 

[mtwarden]

Check out Form's testing of a half dozen cans; it's stuck at the top of this forum—it will reveal how the Scythe compares to other cans, including other Ti cans

 

[mtwarden]

Link? I saw a couple guy's got scoped when theirs let loose. I know of some serious injuries with other cans failing. ( broken clavicle's)

Can't—it was sent to me DM a couple of months ago and the individual has hired an attorney and doesn't want any information let out before his case is heard/settled.