SilencerCo Scythe Ti failures

[mtwarden]

The one that is at near the top of the list for me is the Otter Creek Hydrogen K—5" (w/ no mount) and 6.7 oz

 

[huntsman22]

the Hydrogen S is awesome. Can't see suffering shorter.....

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I got a Nomad XC TI that cleared yesterday but my FFL is being weird so not sure when I’ll get it in my hands. It should be quieter than the scythe (which I own too) though (volume game).

That would be a nice option.

Enticer STi is also very good and same weight.

The only thing in the sub 6” range though is the scythe and banish backcountry. Both have reports of being quieter than the ultra 5.

The ti xc is an awesome silencer, I’ve been loving mine so far. My favorite is still my ultra 7 though.

 

[280rem]

The ti xc is an awesome silencer, I’ve been loving mine so far. My favorite is still my ultra 7 though.

I have the nomad TI, is the Ti xc significantly any better? I really like the nomad TI, but I do like my scythe Ti a little better.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I have the nomad TI, is the Ti xc significantly any better? I really like the nomad TI, but I do like my scythe Ti a little better.

I can’t answer that as I don’t have a nomad Ti, I can say it’s a heck of a lot lighter than the standard nomad, my dad had 2 nomads and he loves them but he isn’t hiking a whole lot anymore. I sort of found the Ti xc to be similar to the scythe which is why I bought it. I like my scythe too, hopefully it’s true that they are working on a fix even though mine hasn’t blown up (and I’ve tried to make it fail).

 

[The Harbor Master]

the Hydrogen S is awesome. Can't see suffering shorter.....

Picked mine up and have it on a 20" 7RM... Hopefully shooting this week to see how it does. Will eventually shift to 6CM and can't imagine it not being great. And on top of that, Andrew and OCL have been fantastic with CS.

 

[ZeeGermans]

It’s a risk when running a super lightweight can on a rifle with significant muzzleblast. Realistically, it was most likely designed for the type of person who uses a box of 300wm every few years.

 

[ztc92]

I was dead set on a DD Enticer S-Ti until I read multiple reports of them being really "tinny" sounding in comparison and decided not to. I'm really happy with my Nomad Ti and have shot it a bunch without earpro hunting and had no issues for a couple shots, and I have really bad tinnitus. I have the OG and Jolene S as well but didn't want to pull the can off my primary setup during the CBC and the rifles they're for are still at the smith. If I get time over the next weekend or 2 I'll try to get out and do some comparing so I can give feedback on those.

When/If you do this, it would be great to get more feedback in the OG thread with these additional comparisons so please post there too.

 

[Rifleman86]

Damn haven’t been checked this forum in a while and this is the first I’m hearing of this. This is super disappointing… Really hoping it’s just a specific SN range and one that my Sythe isn’t in.

400 or so rounds with a mix of 22” 6.5 CM and 7 SAUM with no issues FWIW.

I guess my Omega 300 is coming with me as a back up this year.

 

[Bater]

Has SilencerCo made any statements about these failures? May have missed it if that was already covered on this thread

 

[AZ Gator]

Has SilencerCo made any statements about these failures? May have missed it if that was already covered on this thread

Generally no. Most people that ask get a response that varies from bad weld to overheating caused the failure. Recently someone posted that SiCo claimed to have some new baffles they are testing. Maybe that’s something?

 

[ztc92]

Has SilencerCo made any statements about these failures? May have missed it if that was already covered on this thread

None, just a generic reply to all inquiries that failure rate is less than 1% and felt to be due to user error. Both of those statements are contradicted by this thread.

 

[Rifleman86]

I had the same thought about unburnt powder from short-barreled magnums, but I don’t have any knowledge of that. Some of these cans have reportedly blown up on 6.5 CM.

I am not going to suggest that anyone buy the Scythe Ti, but I will keep shooting mine on my CZ. It is just so fun and handy.


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I personally think this explains at least some of the failures.

I’ve seen reports of extreme recoil when a failure occurs. From a physics standpoint, this could only be explained by the detonation of unburned powder.

Combine relatively short barrels with slow burning powder and it’s certainly plausible.

But the fact it’s happening with the Scythe and not other cans means there may be other issues too.

In the meantime I’m probably going to start doing a CLR soak on mine about every 100 rounds or so just to be safe.

 

[Formidilosus]

Based off some of the stuff I’ve now seen, as well as reports of EXTREME recoil producing

I personally think this explains at least some of the failures.

I’ve seen reports of extreme recoil when a failure occurs. From a physics standpoint, this could only be explained by the detonation of unburned powder.

Combine relatively short barrels with slow burning powder and it’s certainly plausible.

But the fact it’s happening with the Scythe and not other cans means there may be other issues too.

In the meantime I’m probably going to start doing a CLR soak on mine about every 100 rounds or so just to be safe.

The increased recoil is due to the weight of the can launching- not unburnt powder.

 

[TxLite]

The increased recoil is due to the weight of the can launching- not unburnt powder.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Takes quite a bit of force to throw a can that far

 

[Rifleman86]

The increased recoil is due to the weight of the can launching- not unburnt powder.

A while back someone did a slowmo video with see through cans made of plexiglass. Most failed within a few rounds, as expected for a can made of plexiglass.

There were no reports of extreme recoil like we see with some of the scythe failures.

I’ve also seen meltdown videos with silencers, obviously ending in can failure. I’ve never seen evidence of massive recoil when it happens.

From a conservation of energy standpoint, all that extra force has to be coming from somewhere other than the cartridge itself.

Meltdown video


See through silencer video

In the see through silencer video the tube launches off the end of the gun at 2:30… No reports of increased recoil. Certainly not bad enough to cause injury.

 

[z987k]

A while back someone did a slowmo video with see through cans made of plexiglass. Most failed within a few rounds, as expected for a can made of plexiglass.

There were no reports of extreme recoil like we see with some of the scythe failures.

I’ve also seen meltdown videos with silencers, obviously ending in can failure. I’ve never seen evidence of massive recoil when it happens.

From a conservation of energy standpoint, all that extra force has to be coming from somewhere other than the cartridge itself.

Meltdown video


See through silencer video

In the see through silencer video the tube launches off the end of the gun at 2:30… No reports of increased recoil. Certainly not bad enough to cause injury.

The vast majority of the recoil normally is from the weight of the projectile and powder together both being accelerated, the equal and opposite force. If you go from ~200gr to ~600gr, the recoil increase will be massive.

 

[Nine Banger]

Great News:

 

[BradArnett]

I've around 600 rnds on mine so far with no issues yet. It's been on a 21" 6.5cm, 16" and 22" 223, and a 7.5" 300blk with subsonics. FWIW my sn is 128xx.

Im up to 1200 rnds now on mine. Since my post above, 200 have been the 7.5" 300blk w/subs and another 400 on the 16" 223.

 

[Idaho6.5]

My Buddy had one, shot sparks out of it like crazy, the quality seemed just okay, but with the known issues, it’s in the safe most of the time now. He has a SAW suppressor now that seems like a much better unit.