Shorty 6 Creeds

[Taudisio]

I want to be above 1800fps at 500yards or better and don’t need to shoot animals further than that. I worked up two test groups so far in the low to mid 2800fps with good results. )

You are way in the weeds except for this part.

2835fps will need the be your rough MV at sea level to get you 1800fps at 500 with the “estimated g7 of .207” hammer states. And it sounds like you’re there. Find accuracy around 2850 and go kill stuff.

 

[Bobrobheimer]

You are way in the weeds except for this part.

2835fps will need the be your rough MV at sea level to get you 1800fps at 500 with the “estimated g7 of .207” hammer states. And it sounds like you’re there. Find accuracy around 2850 and go kill stuff.

Yes, it was more of an academic question that occurred to me as being interesting. With the current jump/seating depth and the load in question 40.8gr or 41gr of H4350 it’s not a compressed load. And I kinda like that it’s got less empty space than it otherwise might cause I imagine shooting steep angles with the powder to the back v front maybe that makes a difference when there’s a lot of room in the case. Again maybe not a relevant difference.

I am mostly not interested in spending a lot of time messing around with seating depth or powder types and frankly would like to just get something good enough and move on to shooting positions and such. That said I do enjoy the theory side of it all and now you all got me wondering about trying a faster powder!

I have already gotten what I need in terms of speed especially because I won’t be hunting below 5000’ above sea level and really probably not below 8000’. 9,000-12,000 is more likely. At least for the foreseeable future.

 

[Taudisio]

Yes, it was more of an academic question that occurred to me as being interesting. With the current jump/seating depth and the load in question 40.8gr or 41gr of H4350 it’s not a compressed load. And I kinda like that it’s got less empty space than it otherwise might cause I imagine shooting steep angles with the powder to the back v front maybe that makes a difference when there’s a lot of room in the case. Again maybe not a relevant difference.

I am mostly not interested in spending a lot of time messing around with seating depth or powder types and frankly would like to just get something good enough and move on to shooting positions and such. That said I do enjoy the theory side of it all and now you all got me wondering about trying a faster powder!

I have already gotten what I need in terms of speed especially because I won’t be hunting below 5000’ above sea level and really probably not below 8000’. 9,000-12,000 is more likely. At least for the foreseeable future.

You’re only talking about hunting out to 500 yards. If you starting shooting long range competitions at the highest level, then you should start concerning yourself about getting into these weeds. Guys have been killing animals out to and beyond 500 yards since the 1800’s with sharps rifles. I wonder if .2 grain differences in powder weight crossed their minds….

 

[Bobrobheimer]

You’re only talking about hunting out to 500 yards. If you starting shooting long range competitions at the highest level, then you should start concerning yourself about getting into these weeds. Guys have been killing animals out to and beyond 500 yards since the 1800’s with sharps rifles. I wonder if .2 grain differences in powder weight crossed their minds….

Haha. Fair. I do shoot an nrl hunter a year and enjoy the cold bore challenge - which is a reason why I am only talking about hunting out to 500yards. But you are right I am not a competitive shooter. I do like to be confident that everything is my own fault though!

 

[The Guide]

Haha. Fair. I do shoot an nrl hunter a year and enjoy the cold bore challenge - which is a reason why I am only talking about hunting out to 500yards. But you are right I am not a competitive shooter. I do like to be confident that everything is my own fault though!

Less mental gymnastics and more shooting makes 500 yards pretty easy for a properly setup rifle with a shooter who has basic principles of marksmanship down. When you're the same rifle for 200 to 500 rounds a year, you will become a much better shooter. Sometimes we chase rabbit holes on hunting ammo when we should be at the range with cheap (accurate) ammo shooting positionally to make us more comfortable making the shot. I shoot cheap AAC 77tmk in a 223 and just got some cheap AAC 140gr Sabre Blade Black Tips in 6.5CM to practice with. I'm around 5k rounds so far this year with rimfire and centerfire cartridges. I would get a quality load for hunting and buy some cheap range ammo that your rifle likes and shoot 100 rounds of range ammo for every 20 rounds of hunting ammo. Once you have 200 rounds of range ammo and 40 rounds of hunting ammo shot in positional settings from 200 to 500 yards, you're comfortably ready for most situations you'll find in the field and you will know your firearm intimately.

Jay