Shoot2Hunt University

[Formidilosus]

So. Basically
“Trainer rifle” Tikka 223, 16in, suppressor, mil scope
“Hunting rifle” Worked Rem 700 280ai, 22in, suppressor, mil scope
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That would be good choices if that is your hunting rifle.

 

[RockAndSage]

Have you been to the course?

Nope. But is has my strong interest, and I'm setting things in place to learn as much as I can between now and when I do. Summer of 2027 looks like it'll be the first opportunity for me.

 

[Formidilosus]

All:


You can use whatever scope you want at the classes- I am often using MOA, BDC, and even iron sights. I believe 8 people (might be 7) have tried adamantly to use MOA scopes- several were forceful the first time they spoke to us that they would never change to Mil, and “it’s all the same”. Every one of them asked to borrow scopes before the end of the second day.

You can shoot whatever you want, however they are not the same, they don’t work the same, your brain doesn’t work them the same, and the results are not the same.

 

[Wprinkle]

If you're going to this class in the summer, from everything I'm seeing, getting a FFP SWFA just to get acquainted with it and learning how to use the reticle system in prep for the class might be a good idea. To get the most out of the class.

I've always had a preference for a really fine aiming point, and because of that have always preferred SFP scopes, as the reticle stays the same size regardless of magnification setting, rather than getting bigger or smaller. But I think I'll be picking up either one of the SWFA 3-15s or a Maven FFP, to start learning the reticles level up the skillsets with all that.

You are dead on.. I was a SFP MOA guy and showed up to the class with a FFP mil,mil and Im so glad!! First off mills is 10000X easy to use and do mental math with.. To steal a quote. Jesus loves 10's and so do I!!
When you get to the on the mountain portion it really comes into play.. Mils are faster and more deadly and that is the entire point of going to the class. Then you get home and start playing with Mils and next thing you know you are measuring rocks at 800 yards and half ass ranging animals with a scope... Aside from the class itself a Mil Mil FFP scope and practice ammo are the two best investments you can make.

 

[atmat]

I think it’s really cool and humble the number of dudes who raise their hand and say, “I was that dude on day 1 and glad I switched!”

I haven’t done the class (yet), but otherwise I was same boat and am glad I’ve moved to smaller calibers and FFP mil scopes.

 

[WCT3]

I think it’s really cool and humble the number of dudes who raise their hand and say, “I was that dude on day 1 and glad I switched!”

I haven’t done the class (yet), but otherwise I was same boat and am glad I’ve moved to smaller calibers and FFP mil scopes.

I'm planning to do the class in 2027, I can't wait to find out everything I'm wrong about

 

[Loco4dux]

Let’s be honest, if you show up with anything other than a mil FFP scope on your trainer you’re pissing away your time and money. So if you like to do that then… whatever. Even on the hunting rifle that you aren’t going to shoot as much you should have one, I didn’t and was immediately borrowing one.

 

[TimberHunter]

Let’s be honest, if you show up with anything other than a mil FFP scope on your trainer you’re pissing away your time and money. So if you like to do that then… whatever. Even on the hunting rifle that you aren’t going to shoot as much you should have one, I didn’t and was immediately borrowing one.

Not sure I agree with that… I’m a mil guy, was before I went to the class this year. The class has the shooter using the crosshairs only for the first 3+ days (except the first afternoon) so I wouldn’t say it’s a waste of time if you show up with an MOA scope


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[Bluumoon]

Gotcha. Not a concern with a fixed power scope. That explains why I never worried about it.

Or, frankly, on a SFP scope that doesn’t have a stupidly high top end magnification. As I look at it, a 2-8x, 3-9x, or 2.5-10x SFP would work just fine for most long shots. But I would want a 3-15x or 3-18x FFP.

Not sure why you think SFP wouldn’t matter on lower mag. Use the 9x for example. At 9x let’s say the 1st hash mark is 1mil. What is the same hash mark worth at 6x or 4 x ? I’m not bothering to adjust magnification if I happen to see something at 500 yards I want to shoot and scope is at 5x or 6x, but the wind hold on a SFP would/could certainty be enough difference to put me off an animal.

 

[Nine Banger]

Not sure why you think SFP wouldn’t matter on lower mag.

Good call out.

The differences between shooters that always hit stuff and shooters that sometimes miss stuff are subtle.

The small stuff absolutely matters.

 

[Schmo]

Not sure why you think SFP wouldn’t matter on lower mag. Use the 9x for example. At 9x let’s say the 1st hash mark is 1mil. What is the same hash mark worth at 6x or 4 x ? I’m not bothering to adjust magnification if I happen to see something at 500 yards I want to shoot and scope is at 5x or 6x, but the wind hold on a SFP would/could certainty be enough difference to put me off an animal.

Maybe my take is wrong, but I thought he was saying that because max magnification isn’t super high, so lots of scenarios the max magnification could be used, and thus have correct values. No offense to the poster at all, but that’s a pretty dumb method of operation. If I’m on a deer at 400 yards, I absolutely don’t want 9x mag. Seems like a bandaid to the real solution.

 

[hibernation]

Not sure why you think SFP wouldn’t matter on lower mag. Use the 9x for example. At 9x let’s say the 1st hash mark is 1mil. What is the same hash mark worth at 6x or 4 x ? I’m not bothering to adjust magnification if I happen to see something at 500 yards I want to shoot and scope is at 5x or 6x, but the wind hold on a SFP would/could certainty be enough difference to put me off an animal.

I think he's saying that if you're only able to use the hash marks at max magnification, it's not as much of a handicap if the scope only goes up to 9x-12x, rather than 15x-24x. So yes, you're still limited by the SFP scope, but that limitation would be much worse in something with a really high top end magnification.

I don't really agree, but that's the logic.

 

[Bluumoon]

Maybe my take is wrong, but I thought he was saying that because max magnification isn’t super high, so lots of scenarios the max magnification could be used, and thus have correct values. No offense to the poster at all, but that’s a pretty dumb method of operation. If I’m on a deer at 400 yards, I absolutely don’t want 9x mag. Seems like a bandaid to the real solution.

Prob what he meant, didn’t mean to be offensive in response. It’s been said, but is worth repeating…

The class teaches you to hit targets right now, not just hit them.

From spotting an animal and if it’s inside of 600 yards it’s dead w in 20-30 seconds w multiple rounds in it.

I’m sure there are lots of courses that teach how to hit small targets at distance. This is not that, your buddy will still be figuring out how many mils to dial when you are ready to send rounds.

 

[Schmo]

I think he's saying that if you're only able to use the hash marks at max magnification, it's not as much of a handicap if the scope only goes up to 9x-12x, rather than 15x-24x. So yes, you're still limited by the SFP scope, but that limitation would be much worse in something with a really high top end magnification.

I don't really agree, but that's the logic.

What I was trying to say, but was clear as mud.

 

[hibernation]

Prob what he meant, didn’t mean to be offensive in response. It’s been said, but is worth repeating…

The class teaches you to hit targets right now, not just hit them.

From spotting an animal and if it’s a in 600 yards it’s dead w in 20-30 seconds w multiple rounds in it.

I’m sure there are lots of courses that teach how to hit small targets at distance. This is not that, your buddy will still be figuring out how many mils to dial when you are ready to send rounds.

From a guy on the sidelines who probably won't make it to the actual class, I still appreciate this outlook and how it filters out to the rest of us here. Practicing with shot timers and focusing on efficiency has gotten me a couple animals that would have walked away if I had moved slower.

 

[Schmo]

From a guy on the sidelines who probably won't make it to the actual class, I still appreciate this outlook and how it filters out to the rest of us here. Practicing with shot timers and focusing on efficiency has gotten me a couple animals that would have walked away if I had moved slower.

Yes. And there’s a huge difference between quick efficiency, and panic motion.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I think he's saying that if you're only able to use the hash marks at max magnification, it's not as much of a handicap if the scope only goes up to 9x-12x, rather than 15x-24x. So yes, you're still limited by the SFP scope, but that limitation would be much worse in something with a really high top end magnification.

I don't really agree, but that's the logic.

Yes, you can agree or disagree with it all you want, but it’s all nitpicking and irrelevant.

If I am using a variable scope, it’s always set on the max power (usually 8x). Your experience may be different, but in 30 years of hunting with a scoped rifle, it’s never been a hindrance to me. I’ve killed running deer at 25-75 yards several times on 8x, even if I prefer them standing still.

And, for the course, I’m bringing my fixed 6x scopes, so again, this just isn’t a concern.

 

[Bluumoon]

From a guy on the sidelines who probably won't make it to the actual class, I still appreciate this outlook and how it filters out to the rest of us here. Practicing with shot timers and focusing on efficiency has gotten me a couple animals that would have walked away if I had moved slower.

Acknowledging it is the 1st step to recovery. Ask me how I know. In all seriousness you can take huge leaps forward just reading and practicing the stuff that has been shared here, I certainly did and continue to do so.

 

[hibernation]

Yes. And there’s a huge difference between quick efficiency, and panic motion.

Aw man don't call me out like that.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Maybe my take is wrong, but I thought he was saying that because max magnification isn’t super high, so lots of scenarios the max magnification could be used, and thus have correct values. No offense to the poster at all, but that’s a pretty dumb method of operation. If I’m on a deer at 400 yards, I absolutely don’t want 9x mag. Seems like a bandaid to the real solution.

Assuming I was using a 2.5-8x or 3-9x, why wouldn’t I want my scope on 8x or 9x at 400 yards? At that range, I am shooting from a supported position with a 10 pound rifle and a moderately recoiling cartridge. What am I missing by being on 8x or 9x?