Shoot2Hunt University

[Brian77]

@Brian77 congrats on the harvest. You didn't say, but what rifle setup were you using? Like you implied, the class is nothing short of a game changer. Congrats again!

It's a TS Customs. 300 W M. Suppressed. With a Leupold Mark V. I know, I know. They suck. I am getting ready to build a Tikka action 6 mm with a Maven RS 1.2.

 

[atmat]

I am getting ready to build a Tikka action 6 mm with a Maven RS 1.2.

 

[philcox]

My notes from the class, aren’t the best. Can folks remind me of the couple of offhand shooting positions that are reasonably stable?

The one that I have in my notes is “Standing forward, aggressive stance, rear leg, almost locked out, front leg bent, front hand supporting the stock with Thumb pad center line to barrel.”

I feel like there were a few others!


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[plchny]

I just watched a recent Youtube video of a group that were training at the highly regarded Hat Creek Facility. After a few days shooting with Form at our informal S2H class here in Alaska, it is blatantly apparent how bad most training is. On the Hat Creek video, the Spotter - Shooter communication is horrible. Maybe the instructors know better, but what good is training if you are not going to do it in a way that makes you more efficient and effective in the field?

Also, the habits and shot process that the students were allowed to follow were horrible as well. No racking of the bolt as soon as possible, ignoring the turret and safety, coming out of the gun and looking back without even ejecting the case. It's like watching amateur hour, once you have gone through even one S2H class.

I'd tread lightly on throwing Hat Creek under the bus because non-sniper SEALs decided to film content for their social media at Bryan's place. Got it, those dudes can't shoot long guns, but they literally showed up to his house grabbed HIS guns and went to shoot in some of the toughest conditions in the US.

Additionally, throwing your personal preference like running the bolt as soon as you shoot and Saying that's the only right way doesn't hold water. How long does it take you to run a bolt? Why not shoot, watch trace, spot your correction, run the bolt and re-engage as necessary?

Why do you have to put your gun on safe on a spent cartridge? What does "ignore the turret mean"?

Again, Bryan is not only one of the premier instructors in the US he's one of the best competitors. Look up the NASTI if you want to see how it's done and not make broad characterisations based on dudes wanting to play sniper for social media content

 

[T_Widdy]

dudes wanting to play sniper for social media content

That video should not have been made public because it looked exactly like you described here.

 

[atmat]

I'd tread lightly on throwing Hat Creek under the bus because non-sniper SEALs decided to film content for their social media at Bryan's place. Got it, those dudes can't shoot long guns, but they literally showed up to his house grabbed HIS guns and went to shoot in some of the toughest conditions in the US.

Additionally, throwing your personal preference like running the bolt as soon as you shoot and Saying that's the only right way doesn't hold water. How long does it take you to run a bolt? Why not shoot, watch trace, spot your correction, run the bolt and re-engage as necessary?

Why do you have to put your gun on safe on a spent cartridge? What does "ignore the turret mean"?

Again, Bryan is not only one of the premier instructors in the US he's one of the best competitors. Look up the NASTI if you want to see how it's done and not make broad characterisations based on dudes wanting to play sniper for social media content

Bold move joining RS today and having this be your second post.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Bold move joining RS today and having this be your second post.

A bit aggressive but he seems to be making some valid points.

 

[RockAndSage]

I'd tread lightly on throwing Hat Creek under the bus because non-sniper SEALs decided to film content for their social media at Bryan's place. Got it, those dudes can't shoot long guns, but they literally showed up to his house grabbed HIS guns and went to shoot in some of the toughest conditions in the US.

Additionally, throwing your personal preference like running the bolt as soon as you shoot and Saying that's the only right way doesn't hold water. How long does it take you to run a bolt? Why not shoot, watch trace, spot your correction, run the bolt and re-engage as necessary?

Why do you have to put your gun on safe on a spent cartridge? What does "ignore the turret mean"?

Again, Bryan is not only one of the premier instructors in the US he's one of the best competitors. Look up the NASTI if you want to see how it's done and not make broad characterisations based on dudes wanting to play sniper for social media content

I haven't taken S2H's course, or any precision rifle course. But I am seeing parallels with other experiences I've had, where entirely different traditions/schools/approaches aren't being properly understood in context, yet they get compared against each other as "the truth", and then people get tribal and absolutist about it. I'd like to not see that here, as I'm sure both schools have a lot to offer.

It's my understanding that S2H has been built entirely around field-realistic hunting, with everything not optimizing that more or less just getting removed or modified.

That's just not what Hat Creek's about, as far as I understand. And that's good. It would make an immense amount of sense that a different school, with different priorities, for different competitive or real-world applications, especially with a different student pool, would have different approaches and techniques.

 

[RockAndSage]

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A bit aggressive but he seems to be making some valid points.

Gotta admit that I do like that the guy is actually trying to have a discussion with lots of question-marks, rather than just being declarative and disagreeable.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

I'd tread lightly on throwing Hat Creek under the bus because non-sniper SEALs decided to film content for their social media at Bryan's place. Got it, those dudes can't shoot long guns, but they literally showed up to his house grabbed HIS guns and went to shoot in some of the toughest conditions in the US.

Additionally, throwing your personal preference like running the bolt as soon as you shoot and Saying that's the only right way doesn't hold water. How long does it take you to run a bolt? Why not shoot, watch trace, spot your correction, run the bolt and re-engage as necessary?

Why do you have to put your gun on safe on a spent cartridge? What does "ignore the turret mean"?

Again, Bryan is not only one of the premier instructors in the US he's one of the best competitors. Look up the NASTI if you want to see how it's done and not make broad characterisations based on dudes wanting to play sniper for social media content

Some fair points and observations. They’re certainly more experienced than I am and in the real world would most likely make me look like an amateur, which I am.

 

[Castle Rock]

I'd tread lightly on throwing Hat Creek under the bus because non-sniper SEALs decided to film content for their social media at Bryan's place. Got it, those dudes can't shoot long guns, but they literally showed up to his house grabbed HIS guns and went to shoot in some of the toughest conditions in the US.

Additionally, throwing your personal preference like running the bolt as soon as you shoot and Saying that's the only right way doesn't hold water. How long does it take you to run a bolt? Why not shoot, watch trace, spot your correction, run the bolt and re-engage as necessary?

Why do you have to put your gun on safe on a spent cartridge? What does "ignore the turret mean"?

Again, Bryan is not only one of the premier instructors in the US he's one of the best competitors. Look up the NASTI if you want to see how it's done and not make broad characterisations based on dudes wanting to play sniper for social media content

I’m glad someone said it

 

[MagnumHntr]

Welcome to Rokslide! Maybe you can help clear some things up. The only information about Hat Creek that most of the public can see are several newer YouTube videos and some social media clips. To most shooters those videos look like it is an advanced training facility, to some Roksliders it looks like the basic gun handling procedures are not being taught. So, seeing how you won the NASTI and train there can you share your opinions on these procedures.

Additionally, throwing your personal preference like running the bolt as soon as you shoot and Saying that's the only right way doesn't hold water. How long does it take you to run a bolt? Why not shoot, watch trace, spot your correction, run the bolt and re-engage as necessary?

The videos show lots of PRS gamer bolt manipulation, after the shot, bolt back and left there, or they shoot and don't run the bolt just leaving the gun dead. Does Hat Creek teach this or should you always "shoot, watch trace, spot your correction, run the bolt and re-engage as necessary" also considered "reset and prep"?

Why do you have to put your gun on safe on a spent cartridge? What does "ignore the turret mean"?

Does Hat Creek teach to allow spent cartridges to be left in the gun. Why would you do this?

When does Hat Creek teach to return the scope turret to zero after a shot and the target or threat is dead? There are videos of students engaging their next targets with previous elevation still dialed on the scope....

B_Reynolds_AK just noticed some details that I don't really think are taught at this high level training facility. But these videos show some poor gun handling and training.

 

[Bluumoon]

We must all be on the same YouTube algorithm… Watched a couple of the referenced videos last night.

I would sign up to shoot at that place and learn from those guys in a heartbeat. I didn’t see any basic marksmanship/gun handling being taught, I don’t think that was the point of the experience for the guys filming, wouldn’t put any weight to it being a reflection of Hat Creek one way or another.

Did a good job explaining wind #s, brief mention of getting square behind rifle. Shooting way way out you are going to stay in the scope for a while to see impact.

Hell, I’ll volunteer to go yell RACK at everyone if I can watch.

 

[MagnumHntr]

We must all be on the same YouTube algorithm… Watched a couple of the referenced videos last night.

I would sign up to shoot at that place and learn from those guys in a heartbeat. I didn’t see any basic marksmanship/gun handling being taught, I don’t think that was the point of the experience for the guys filming, wouldn’t put any weight to it being a reflection of Hat Creek one way or another.

Did a good job explaining wind #s, brief mention of getting square behind rifle. Shooting way way out you are going to stay in the scope for a while to see impact.

Hell, I’ll volunteer to go yell RACK at everyone if I can watch.

I know there is great training that comes from Hat Creek, I think they should keep it private for our Elite marksman and not have these Guntubers posting terrible videos.

 

[Bluumoon]

I know there is great training that comes from Hat Creek, I think they should keep it private for our Elite marksman and not have these Guntubers posting terrible videos.

Not knowing their business in the least, some hype can incentivize purse strings to loosen up.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I agree with the points, but I don’t think comments about other training programs really belong in this thread. I dislike a lot of the online reflexive brand attack and defense.