Shoot2Hunt - Archery Version?

philcox

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Before I start down this path on my own, going to reach out here and see if such a thing exists. There is the Shoot2Hunt rifle class, that essentially deals with training you for hunting scenarios, and equipment use. There is also a "Rifle Drill" (i'll add to end of this) that has been posted to help you work on practical efficacy for hunting. I am trying to figure out a "repeatable" drill sequence for Archery that would give similar efficacy when in the woods with a bow.

I shoot 3D trounaments, and have a mini range at home, but don't have a defined "drill" process that moves through likely positions and follow up shots. I will make one, if something doesn't already exist. (I am working on my version in this Google Doc for reference. Yes it is VERY much a WIP right now) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qX1_cMYvsQQuMt-jlSt3Q16YjFC4XORCFA8lgs9dhPw

Let me know ...

Phil


For those unfamiliar with the rifle drill it is:
Print out one each of these targets and post them up at 100 yards. This works best if you are using a setup that can be zeroed dead on at 100, however if you zero at a different range (200, 300, etc) is that zero as it will show using hold unders for hitting realistic targets. Each string starts standing with all equipment in hand or on body, I.E.- wearing pack, hiking sticks in hand, etc. If you carry empty chamber- all strings start with empty chamber.

DO IT EXACTLY HOW YOU CARRY WHILE HUNTING!
(They need to be printed out at 100% scale, and then they are still in shooter MOA, not true MOA). All shot at 100 yards.

STRING 1: No time limits.
7MOA = 2 shots offhand
5MOA = 2 shots sitting unsupported
3MOA = 2 shots sitting or keeling with sticks or backpack
2MOA = 2 shots prone (can use a pack, but no rear bag, no bipod)

STRING 2: Is a repeat of string one, but with a 20 second par time. I set a timer on my phone, if the shot isn't taken BEFORE the buzzer, it doesn't count.

7MOA = 2 shots offhand in 20 seconds
5MOA = 2 shots sitting unsupported in 20 seconds
3MOA = 2 shots sitting or keeling with sticks or backpack in 20 seconds
2MOA = 2 shots prone in 15 seconds (can use pack, but no bipod and no rear bag)

STRING 3: is a "medley". One shot from each position, with a 60 second par time.
60 seconds to go from standing with all gear strapped in, to-

7MOA = 1 shot offhand
5MOA = 1 shot sitting unsupported
3MOA = 1 shot sitting or keeling with sticks or backpack
2MOA = 1 shot prone (can use pack, but no bipod and no rear bag)

It's scored out of 20. A decent score is in the 15/20 range, 17 to 18 should be the goal for the first year. It’s an excellent diagnostic tool as well as a great way to practice, and has a high correlation to performance with spot and stalk hunting shots.
 
I dig it. Food for thought as its something I plan to work on more this year; steeper uphill and downhill shots, uphill specifically. Both equipment setup (3rd axis), form, and the rabbit hole of cut charts.
 
I dig it. Food for thought as its something I plan to work on more this year; steeper uphill and downhill shots, uphill specifically. Both equipment setup (3rd axis), form, and the rabbit hole of cut charts.
All good things. Cut charts are "good" to learn from and have, but I am thinking in the vein of hunting, they are going to be something you have to implement in a "quick drop" type scenario. I know for myself, if I have to take the time to pull the chart, the opportunity might be gone. So somehow need to develop a Quick Drop type system from my bow and angels. Not even sure it's possible to do it, and have it simple AND accurate enough. Time will tell.
 
Have you tried Field archery?

I think it might be a good place to start. The targets that aren't walk ups you could alter from standing to kneeling.
 
All good things. Cut charts are "good" to learn from and have, but I am thinking in the vein of hunting, they are going to be something you have to implement in a "quick drop" type scenario. I know for myself, if I have to take the time to pull the chart, the opportunity might be gone. So somehow need to develop a Quick Drop type system from my bow and angels. Not even sure it's possible to do it, and have it simple AND accurate enough. Time will tell.

Ive built a quick drop for angles...the easy button on convential shot distances and angles is the fulldraw 4 rangefinder...

Il see if i can find my chart to give you an idea

Chart is rounded to the nearest half
 

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Have you tried Field archery?

I think it might be a good place to start. The targets that aren't walk ups you could alter from standing to kneeling.

This is what I use as a final “test” ,if you will, for my hunting setups. I know not everyone has access to a full field and hunter range but it provides a lot more feedback than just your run of the mill 3d target.

3d shoots get mixed into my normal year but only about 5-6 shoots anymore. A lot of guys I work with default to a 3d target as the end all be all because it’s most obviously shaped like the animals we shoot. The problem is unless you’ve got a ton of built in excuses with 3d (pretty big vital zone, and unless you’re counting 12s I don’t see how you’re getting better)

My list would be as follows but only because it works for me all hunting bow and hunting arrow setups

1 full Vegas game - the rifle side of this forum(not the entire firearm industry) is a little late to the party in understanding the statistical significance of 30 shots when the archery worlds been doing it for a long time. Minimum score is a 270

Why - it seems trivial but if you can’t put all of your arrows inside a 3” circle at 20yds flat footed with good lighting, then I don’t think you need to move much beyond that. It provides a measurable performance standard for all physical changes to the setup.

1 20 target field or hunter course, single arrow shot per target.

Why - Most are technical enough to teach you where you’re weak and the point of a single arrow per target is to ingrain your single shot opportunity. Unlike indoor, It provides a measurable performance standard for all tuning changes you implement.

Just a few Sunday thots


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