Seek outside packable wall tent

[flyinsquirel]

Come'on Colonel, you cant post that pic without giving details.

 

[colonel00]

Come'on Colonel, you cant post that pic without giving details.

It was a DIY tent I found at one point.

Vertical wall to Lightweight pyramid tent - Kanguk style

Also, here is another thread on the SO tent. I was very surprised when I saw the other pictures of it. Much smaller than I anticipated and I don't see how you could squeeze more than three or 4 in there with a stove.

http://www.rokslide.com/forums/sleep-systems/55642-seek-outside-courthouse.html

 

[colonel00]

I'll also add this. Some people mentioned adding a vertical wall and netting. Way back, I was going to sew a line of Velcro around the bottom edge of my SL5. I could then "install" a perimeter of silnylon or bugnetting depending on the situation. If I wanted to stay light, I could just leave that at home and pitch as a normal tipi. Never got around to doing it though but maybe one of these days...

 

[Felix40]

Looks like they have plenty of room with three guys on cots and a large stove. I'm not sure about the stove location but I don't know where I would move it to. Looks like it would be an easy fit for 4 guys without a stove. It takes a heck of a lot of shelter to do 4 and a stove without having to crawl over each other.

 

[dotman]

Is SO ever going to release it?

 

[406]

Yup, my plan is pretty much what the col posted

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[chuckeglenn]

Is SO ever going to release it?

Early 2017 is what I saw on instagram.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Thinking critically on this you gotta wonder if it pencils out better versus a normal tipi. If a pitching foot print reduction was the driving goal then yes this would be a benefit there. If footprint wasn't an issue I wonder if weight is actually saved at all versus what this tent would be if the side walls just continued out all the way to the ground, yes its more fabric but wouldn't require the additional stakes on the bottom. One obvious perk is the material width issue, if you took the material out to its maximum width before starting the vertical wall you'd have less material waste.

At the expense of the weight of the hoop pole that mountain hardwear hoopla type tents sorta went for this by flagging you the top flatter so then the walls dropped down at a steeper angle. Would be an interesting thought experiment to pencil out the weight variations on all those vs usable floor space.

 

[406]

Thinking critically on this you gotta wonder if it pencils out better versus a normal tipi. If a pitching foot print reduction was the driving goal then yes this would be a benefit there. If footprint wasn't an issue I wonder if weight is actually saved at all versus what this tent would be if the side walls just continued out all the way to the ground, yes its more fabric but wouldn't require the additional stakes on the bottom. One obvious perk is the material width issue, if you took the material out to its maximum width before starting the vertical wall you'd have less material waste.

At the expense of the weight of the hoop pole that mountain hardwear hoopla type tents sorta went for this by flagging you the top flatter so then the walls dropped down at a steeper angle. Would be an interesting thought experiment to pencil out the weight variations on all those vs usable floor space.

I basically lived out of the old BD megamid for a couple years (all 4 seasons, desert to mountain) back when I did wilderness therapy programs. It's my favourite all time structure. But just like in a tipi you lose usable space. My favorite with a pyramid was when Wed either dig in or build up snow walls - it becomes a palace. That's where my idea came from and I then discovered that I'm not the first guy to try something like this.

We'll see how it works out in practice...
Should be able to still pitch traditionally by just using the upper ties at ground level. I do have a cheap megamid knock off that I might see the walls on to and just pitch it on my property for a few weeks to see if it holds up.

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[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I get where the desire comes from (digging out under a tent vestibule in snow is awesome for instance) and makes sense if you can remove the ground part to create it. In this case it seems that yes you save some material by boxing the bottom versus continuing the slope of the sides but it in turn requires more stakes and less stability in wind. Off hand there is a tradeoff in there somewhere, for instance 12" walls likely wouldn't be worth it vs just continuing out the tipi where as 48" ones would (that would be ALOT more material to extend out). Just thinking out loud.

 

[DaveC]

Is SO ever going to release it?

We're fairly close. January or February at the latest. The final pre-production proto has been pitched in Kevin and Angie's yard at 8000' for the last month, and the last 10 days finally delivered the snow and wind we needed to put the stamp of approval on the final tweaks. A few changes need to be implemented and we'll be ready to rock on production.

Kevin's report is that while it won't have the all around weatherproofing of a tipi, it's pretty darn good. Probably more than burly enough for most people, and the improved living space to footprint ratio is a very practical benefit.

 

[dotman]

We're fairly close. January or February at the latest. The final pre-production proto has been pitched in Kevin and Angie's yard at 8000' for the last month, and the last 10 days finally delivered the snow and wind we needed to put the stamp of approval on the final tweaks. A few changes need to be implemented and we'll be ready to rock on production.

Kevin's report is that while it won't have the all around weatherproofing of a tipi, it's pretty darn good. Probably more than burly enough for most people, and the improved living space to footprint ratio is a very practical benefit.

Any pricing estimates or general area it's expected to be at?

 

[mavmskyb8]

That looks awesome! I want one! I wonder how much John @ Bear Paw would charge me to add the bottom to the luna 4 I have?

 

[Felix40]

One other potentially small benefit of the verticals walls at the bottom is that you don't have to get down and reach so far to open the zipper from the inside. I may be the only one but it annoys me slightly to rub my back on the inside of the walls every time I open the zipper. Especially if there is some condensation there.

 

[colonel00]

I hate that too. I usually your a stick or something to the pull on the inside

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[406]

That looks awesome! I want one! I wonder how much John @ Bear Paw would charge me to add the bottom to the luna 4 I have?

I asked about him building me a Luna with the very wall, he came back with a few hundred over base price. Good guy & I don't want to speak for him but that'd be my guess.

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[DaveC]

Any pricing estimates or general area it's expected to be at?

Probable introductory special on the first production run a little below $1300, with final pricing around $1400.

 

[DaveC]

Also, here is another thread on the SO tent. I was very surprised when I saw the other pictures of it. Much smaller than I anticipated and I don't see how you could squeeze more than three or 4 in there with a stove.

http://www.rokslide.com/forums/sleep-systems/55642-seek-outside-courthouse.html

It's a backcountry wall tent, not a straight frontcountry wall tent substitute. That said we had eight folks in lawn chairs and an XL ti stove hanging out this weekend, with plenty of room. It's a tall shelter and just about every inch in the front 7/8s is totally useable right up to the walls. The sloping back part is efficient for the gear and woodpile.

The final pre-production tester is being cut as I type.

 

[colonel00]

Probable introductory special on the first production run a little below $1300, with final pricing around $1400.

Sweet baby cheeses! Any other specs or capacity ratings?

 

[colonel00]

It's a backcountry wall tent, not a straight frontcountry wall tent substitute. That said we had eight folks in lawn chairs and an XL ti stove hanging out this weekend, with plenty of room. It's a tall shelter and just about every inch in the front 7/8s is totally useable right up to the walls. The sloping back part is efficient for the gear and woodpile.

The final pre-production tester is being cut as I type.

Sure but how many can it comfortably sleep? I can get 6 people in my Cimarron just sitting in chairs.