S2H course - June 2026

[Castle Rock]

Think about that
It’s totally unrealistic

Dirt won’t be offended
I don’t really understand where you are coming from here.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

Reading this led to the S2H class page, I see they recommend and app called shooter. Is this it?

Shooter: Ballistic Calculator App - App Store

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So are you using the app just for hard data as well as rangefinder with ballistics?do they match up

 

[mt terry d]

Dirt won’t be offended
I don’t really understand where you are coming from here.

Which part of your truck do you want to destroy when driving to your hunting spot?
Ceiling, floor, walls of your house:
Choose one
It’s an unrealistic, or should I say nonsensical, “safety rule”

Anyone from class care to recite the mantra?
I confess I can’t recall it word for word.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Which part of your truck do you want to destroy when driving to your hunting spot?
Ceiling, floor, walls of your house:
Choose one
It’s an unrealistic, or should I say nonsensical, “safety rule”

Anyone from class care to recite the mantra?
I confess I can’t recall it word for word.

I will leave it up to an instructor to decide whether to put it out there.

 

[Ajsomp]

Dirt won’t be offended
I don’t really understand where you are coming from here.

Do you carry concealed?

 

[Ajsomp]

So are you using the app just for hard data as well as rangefinder with ballistics?do they match up

shooter provides a very clean interface (if you turn certain settings on) and provides hard data you can use. When I was running binos with AB and comparing to shooter I wasn’t getting different solutions, and if they were it was .1 mil difference which I probably can’t shoot that difference anyway.

Most solvers are pretty close to one another at reasonable distances. There are discrepancies between the models at longer distance (4dof vs AB vs Revic/swaro/shooter etc) but if you consistently use the same one and if you can true your gun at as long a range as possible you should be good.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I always ask this question and will here too.

What did you not like about the course? What were things you found you liked about how you did it before that you decided to keep?

When EVERYTHING is better it always makes me wonder if it’s not a bit group thinkish.

I thought a lot about this question before starting the thread. There were definitely frustrations with aspects of the course. But most of my frustrations were just that: mine. When I said it was the best training I have ever attended, I meant it.

A lot of the course was like drinking from a firehose. That’s not a negative per se, just a statement of fact. There’s only so much that can be covered in the time allocated.

I would have liked another day and more in-depth training on reading wind. That’s not to say it isn’t covered, but that’s one area where I would have really enjoyed more time. And part of me “just knows” that if the timing worked out, the material was there.

Also, this is a topic for another thread, and not really part of the curriculum, but I still hate scope bumper caps. I tried using them the first five days, then experienced an issue with my scope being out of focus. I took them off that evening, refocused the scope, and enjoyed the last day a lot more. I need to get good with using them or another scope cover, but right now they really slow me down.

 

[nephewjephew]

Anyone from class care to recite the mantra?

All together now, or you're running to the top of the hill until we get this right

1. Know
- know the condition of your rifle/gun/firearm you and you alone are responsible for it.

2.Know
- know where your weapon is pointed at all times
- have a good reason for it and be able to justify it immediately

3. Keep
- Keep your weapon on safe and finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire

4. Positive
- Positively identify your target
- What is behind, in front, and around it
- What may cross in front or behind it

 

[hibernation]

All together now, or you're running to the top of the hill until we get this right

1. Know
- know the condition of your rifle/gun/firearm you and you alone are responsible for it.

2.Know
- know where your weapon is pointed at all times
- have a good reason for it and be able to justify it immediately

3. Keep
- Keep your weapon on safe and finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire

4. Positive
- Positively identify your target
- What is behind, in front, and around it
- What may cross in front of behind it

This is very similar to the standard four rules you see at any hunter's safety class, but just different enough that I really like it. It fills in a couple gaps but is still clear and concise. Totally stealing this.

 

[ekupp]

Using these vinyl sleeves with velcro to store DA/Range/reference cards in bino harness and can be velcroed to stock. Easy to find on amazon.

 

[nephewjephew]

This is very similar to the standard four rules you see at any hunter's safety class, but just different enough that I really like it. It fills in a couple gaps but is still clear and concise. Totally stealing this.

The hunter safety one is good, this is better and more practical for real life.
for instance-
Hunter Safety - don't point your firearm and anything your not willing to destroy.
ok but what about people who appendix carry.

 

[hebertbrian]

All together now, or you're running to the top of the hill until we get this right

1. Know
- know the condition of your rifle/gun/firearm you and you alone are responsible for it.

2.Know
- know where your weapon is pointed at all times
- have a good reason for it and be able to justify it immediately

3. Keep
- Keep your weapon on safe and finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire

4. Positive
- Positively identify your target
- What is behind, in front, and around it
- What may cross in front or behind it

Thanks much for sharing, a better wording of the 4 basic rules. People can manage their own risk/responsibility level temporarily pointing a muzzle at an empty car, or horse, or their own appendix. It's primarily the flagging/sweeping of other humans that isn't going to have a good reason I can think of in a typical hunting or range scenario (vs self defense or defense of others from 2 or 4 legged predators).

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[Jimbee]

I attended the course that started June 8th. I highly recommend going if you can, I had a great time and learned a lot. I'm not a great shooter but have gained some confidence and now have some better fundamentals and processes to practice and build from. As mentioned numerous times, the food, instructors, training, setting, etc are top notch. The week flew by. I wish I could have had this level of instruction/education early on in my hunting career. I'm extremely grateful for everyone that made this happen.

 

[Epfd217]

the flagging/sweeping of other humans that isn't going to have a good reason I can think of in a typical hunting or range scenario (vs self defense or defense of others from 2 or 4 legged predators).

Anyone who has carried a firearm for their job, eventually faces this dilemma. There will definitely be a time when your firearm will be pointed at people and things. There is a huge difference between a careless "flagging" vs carrying firearms in formations and moving towards targets. The rule accounts for this and puts the responsibility back on the shooter. Have a reason for where your muzzle is pointed and you and you alone are responsible for it. No finger on the trigger until time to fire.
The subtle change in the rules creates personal accountability. The class emphasized this and called it out constantly.

 

[1000yards]

I have two questions here. First for the students, did anyone get a chance to use a Schmidt and Bender scope during the course, and if so how did it perform for you?

Second for the instructors, are there any long-term plans for this course? With my young family and running a business it's probably going to be at least a couple years before I can make it out there.

 

[Ajsomp]

I have two questions here. First for the students, did anyone get a chance to use a Schmidt and Bender scope during the course, and if so how did it perform for you?

Second for the instructors, are there any long-term plans for this course? With my young family and running a business it's probably going to be at least a couple years before I can make it out there.

Yes. I’d buy this scope tomorrow if I didn’t have one for a rifle. It is a mil based FFP fixed parallax scope. It has limitations in its elevation dial but on a 6cm you’ll have more than enough elevation to shoot at reasonable distances

 

[BLJ]

@Q_Sertorius

Rough cost on course, ammo, fuel and accommodations?

Thanks.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

@Q_Sertorius

Rough cost on course, ammo, fuel and accommodations?

Thanks.

I fired about 1000 rounds of ADI 69-grain at $0.68/round and 100 hunting rifle cartridges at $1.50/round. My rental car was $600 with unlimited miles for roundtrip. I only spent $300 on hotels, but it really should have been $600 (unless you can comfortably sleep in your vehicle). Probably $600 on fuel for me and the car. So, total cost between $4500-5000.

 

[6eagle]

I have two questions here. First for the students, did anyone get a chance to use a Schmidt and Bender scope during the course, and if so how did it perform for you?

Second for the instructors, are there any long-term plans for this course? With my young family and running a business it's probably going to be at least a couple years before I can make it out there.

I used the scope pictured above for a good portion of the course. I also own one. It works.

Does any perceived improvement in glass or the extra magnification or the illumination make it any more effective than the SWFA 3-9 in practical terms? Especially considering the 4.8mil elevation max? I own both and I'm not sure it does.

I mounted the S&B on a factory tikka 6.5CM superlite 24" barrel in medium UM tikka rings and my zero used up a bunch of the elevation travel so I was limited to ~2.8 mils.

 

[atmat]

I mounted the S&B on a factory tikka 6.5CM superlite 24" barrel in medium UM tikka rings and my zero used up a bunch of the elevation travel so I was limited to ~2.8 mils.

This was my issue as well. I loved that scope and would be fine with 4.8mil, but I was down to like 3.1mil after zeroing.