S2H course - June 2026

Would you treat this as the 223 for training and the 6 CM for hunting or what would drive your decision when deciding between the two for a hunt?

To echo Drew, if I was starting over from scratch, I’d own a Tikka T3X in .243 or 6mm Creed with a 16-20” 1:8” twist barrel, S2H scope, and an OG 6.5 suppressor, in a wooden Rokstok. This would be my “big gun.” I would use it anytime I wanted killing capability over about 450 yards or was required to by law.

Then I would have a Tikka T3X in .223 with a 16” 1:8” twist barrel, SWFA 6x gen 2, and an OG 22 suppressor (it’s gonna happen eventually) or OG-6 S, in a wooden Rokstok lite. I would hunt with this everywhere it was legal.

I’d have a bolt action .22 LR for even cheaper practice, especially offhand. Tikka T1X or CZ 457.

I would keep one or two “fun guns” as my project rifles. In my case, that will be my old .25-06 (with a rebuilt trigger) and a Sauer 100 in 9.3x62.
 
I decided to try something different for high-volume shooting: A 16" Sako Quad -- in .17 HM2.

Yeah, there’s tons of great bolt action .22’s out there. I simply want one with a bolt throw and safety mechanism reasonably close to that on my other rifles. The height of ostentation would be a wooden Rokstok lite for my .22. Maybe next year…
 
Went last week.

Basically the past four or five years of trying to be better with a rifle has been 100% self taught. Running on Gods Grace and luck. Having good equipment but not much skill.

Equipment failures

My goal was to have the Rokstok CTR I'd ordered in January and use Atlas bdm with aics mags... yeah that didn't happen.
Instead I bought a Rok from a buddy and got Red Snake tactical bdm. I function tested it Friday before I left and it seemed to work.
After we tore the rifles apart Sunday night though it seems I just have not had the full 65lb on the action screws. The one plastic aics mag I had worked great but not the three metal ones. Those hanged down too low. Frick! Form Daddy lent me a school gun until we could swap my gun to another Rok and mamba mags.

Holy buckets I've never used a rifle in such horrible conditions. Nothing besides north central MT moon dust. We had horizontal rain a couple of the days. Form yelling at me to reset and prep but the bolt was starting to have a hard time throwing from all the in the action Like I'm trying Boss but she dirty

I'm glad I went on Amazon and ordered elbow pads. I thought it was my technique shooting prone that always leaves my elbows tore up. But I guess it's normal. I taped my elbows and used my pads as much as I could. Also knee pads.

Pre test reminds me of why I try and always hunt in an ambush situation. And if I'm working coulees to jump deer I already have my trekking poles ready. It was tricky too in the hurry up situations at the course because there was no animal behavior to read. You couldn't go bbbblllllaaaahhh at the instructor to buy some time Or you didn't really know how much time you had to build a position.
Throughout the week I was shown how much I suck. But I took it as what I need to train on this summer.

Shooting prone was a butt kicker. Which surprised me.
Wasn't a fan of using rear bag. Normally when I shoot I rest my hand on an ammo box or a firmer Cole tac bag then hold the stock. Finally on Wednesday night I was shown how to keep your bino harness on and hook your offhand fingers into the pouch and hold the rifle. Maybe even rest the stock on the binos.
Another game chamber was Form showing me how to use some stretching bandaging tape and foam to wrap my stocks. Build up the cheek riser and the tape adds some grip on the bottom of the stock. This and the one time he came by and was like dude, drive the stock up into your cheek. That way you'll have control of the rifle to reset and prep.
I ordered the neoprene piece from UM and some skate tape to modify my 6 UM. Though I'd used cardboard and the same bandage wrap to get through Friday. I think with my tiny hands I have a hard time man handling the stock. So I need a lot of texture to hold onto. Or when I shoot my Sig Cross I can just hook my thumb and index finger in the stock.
Also the other thing I struggle with was body positioning for prone. I usually try and get close then adjust as I get on the ground. Not sure how many times my knees would hit dirt and it seemed like I was already hearing "BODY POSITION!!!!!" Like dang dawg I'm not even on the ground. But there was even more times when I was legit in my position and they'd be like your hips are a foot off.

Learning seated unsupported was fun. I grew up with, if you can't use a rest then don't shoot. Thursday evening I hit at 700+ on a second attempt in this position. Shout out to Form for making sure we all found away to make this position work for our own body types. For me I have to cant the rifle. Which is wild.

Reset n prep
Never thought I'd ever be yelled at to put my finger on the trigger
Form had us all on the line to dry fire train prep and reset. He's like the previous class couldn't get this and I had them out until 2 am! He's like I just want 10 good reset and preps. If someone makes a mistake I'm going to start the entire group over. Thanks to 30 some years of being told to keep my finger off the trigger until I'm actually pressing a shot I had my class restart twice

Their optics system is definitely optimized for that style of hunting and I definitely don't disagree with it. But doubt I'll be able to buy big binos this year and ranging binos. Buying the handheld Revic was a big jump for me last year. There's gotta be a good way to get better and getting the big angled spotter out fast and aiming it. But I hunt solo too. When I take my kids they're shooting inside 300 yards.

I've got a lot of stuff to work on. Since I put up the longbow this year instead of shooting after work I'll be doing dry drills in the evenings. Also passing this stuff to my kids.
 
One other thing I will add: there have been requests for an “online S2H course.” Having been through the real thing, I have a very tough time seeing how that could be very useful. Some things, really important things, simply cannot be replicated in an online format.
The Rokslide threads on proper gun setup, positional shooting, “don’t F with your trigger”, “Don’t get cute with your hand loads” etc., are about as close to an online course already, yet WKR’s continue to show up with unsafe and un zeroed guns.. there really is no substitute for the in person classes. So yes, I concur with your estimation. There’s so many things we think we’re doing right, but it takes one of those guys yelling at you or flicking your fingers to make you aware of how much you suck.
 
.17 HM2 is a hidden gem IMO:
Can be had for $0.15 per round if you're patient, shoots far flatter than .22LR does (and with far less fouling):
17hmrdp2.webp

Only Savage is currently chambering rifles in it, but I wanted a similar trigger and safety to those on my T3x. So I started looking at a T1x -- but by the time I bought a .17 HM2 prefit and (likely) paid a smith to have it installed, the P04R (Quad) started to make sense.
 
The Rokslide threads on proper gun setup, positional shooting, “don’t F with your trigger”, “Don’t get cute with your hand loads” etc., are about as close to an online course already, yet WKR’s continue to show up with unsafe and un zeroed guns.. there really is no substitute for the in person classes. So yes, I concur with your estimation. There’s so many things we think we’re doing right, but it takes one of those guys yelling at you or flicking your fingers to make you aware of how much you suck.
Can you link the proper gun setup thread? I’m technologically inept and can’t find it.
 
Can you link the proper gun setup thread? I’m technologically inept and can’t find it.

Here’s one of the threads:

Scope mounting to maintain zero

Basically degrease everything with nail polish remover. Then tighten everything down properly with nail polish (e.g., 65 inch pounds for Tikka action screws). Then add witness marks with paint pen. Then set up scope per the thread above.
 
I know I really appreciate everyone willing to share their experiences from the class. I feel like I always learn a few new things from those that have just attended a S2H class.

From a physical fitness standpoint, how in shape do you feel like the class required you to be? Do you wish you had some any specific exercises (burpees?) or anything else to prep physically for the training? Did you feel physically exhausted and/or sore at the end of each day?

How many different range finder binos did you have the opportunity to try during the class? Which was your favorite? Did you feel like integrated ballistics is worth the additional cost? IIRC from the previous classes, it seems like the integrated ballistics software was not really utilized, but wanted to reconfirm.

10x and 12x seem to be the most popular bino sizes I see recommended in general by other hunters, but it seems like I’ve seen 15x recommended as well from previous classes. Did any size standout in class? If it was the 15x, was the weight/size worth the benefits? I’m sure this provides an advantage for spotters in the class, but I’m trying to determine if it’s worth going this big in the field.

To go along with the Bino question above, did any Bino harnesses stand out during the class?

For the Sunday night rifle tear down, are you literally deconstructing and rebuilding every single rifle you bring to the class or is this only done for rifles having issues?
 
I know I really appreciate everyone willing to share their experiences from the class. I feel like I always learn a few new things from those that have just attended a S2H class.

From a physical fitness standpoint, how in shape do you feel like the class required you to be? Do you wish you had some any specific exercises (burpees?) or anything else to prep physically for the training? Did you feel physically exhausted and/or sore at the end of each day?

How many different range finder binos did you have the opportunity to try during the class? Which was your favorite? Did you feel like integrated ballistics is worth the additional cost? IIRC from the previous classes, it seems like the integrated ballistics software was not really utilized, but wanted to reconfirm.

10x and 12x seem to be the most popular bino sizes I see recommended in general by other hunters, but it seems like I’ve seen 15x recommended as well from previous classes. Did any size standout in class? If it was the 15x, was the weight/size worth the benefits? I’m sure this provides an advantage for spotters in the class, but I’m trying to determine if it’s worth going this big in the field.

To go along with the Bino question above, did any Bino harnesses stand out during the class?

For the Sunday night rifle tear down, are you literally deconstructing and rebuilding every single rifle you bring to the class or is this only done for rifles having issues?
We had some older warriors in the group who were still in great shape but had knee replacements etc. - you’re not doing burpees for time but there’s a lot of getting into positions. I’m in shape and I was still tired everyday.

Get 8x or 10x chest binos. 15x are for spotting. You don’t need integrated ballistics if you use quick drop. Integrated ballistics shorten the kill chain but aren’t needed. RF binos are a must IMO.

Stone glacier bino harness.

You can tear down any rifle you brought to make sure it’s done right. Or don’t.
 
From a physical fitness standpoint, how in shape do you feel like the class required you to be? Do you wish you had some any specific exercises (burpees?) or anything else to prep physically for the training? Did you feel physically exhausted and/or sore at the end of each day?

How many different range finder binos did you have the opportunity to try during the class? Which was your favorite? Did you feel like integrated ballistics is worth the additional cost? IIRC from the previous classes, it seems like the integrated ballistics software was not really utilized, but wanted to reconfirm.

10x and 12x seem to be the most popular bino sizes I see recommended in general by other hunters, but it seems like I’ve seen 15x recommended as well from previous classes. Did any size standout in class? If it was the 15x, was the weight/size worth the benefits? I’m sure this provides an advantage for spotters in the class, but I’m trying to determine if it’s worth going this big in the field.

To go along with the Bino question above, did any Bino harnesses stand out during the class?

For the Sunday night rifle tear down, are you literally deconstructing and rebuilding every single rifle you bring to the class or is this only done for rifles having issues?

Knee pads would be a nice-to-have for me. I didn’t bring the pants that have convenient pockets for them. I taped extra padding to my shooting mat. I took Ibuprofen most nights, mostly for my back. Sitting in the car for 60 hours was harder on me than the course. I did my usual pre-workout warmup and stretch every morning. If you are somewhat flexible, shooting is easier.

The only range finder binoculars I personally used were my Leica Geovid R 10x42s. A few other people had those. I personally don’t have a use for integrated ballistics at my current budget. The Leicas plus Quick Drop work well for me.

The 15x binoculars were for mounting on tripods in lieu of or in addition to a spotting scope. I saw some there, but didn’t really try them out.

One area in which I felt like a baby calf was setting up a tripod and using a spotting scope. I had never used one at all and there were times when I needed to use it.

When I get a spotting scope, it will be the Leupold one that Form recommends. Good eye relief and it’s straight. Angled spotting scopes are the spawn of Satan.

The best binocular harness there was the Stone Glacier sentinel. There was also one from Armageddon gear in waxed canvas that would be awesome with a couple of modifications.

For the rifle tear down, I volunteered my trainer as the demo. Then I rebuilt my hunting rifles during the practical application session. The idea is that everyone watches it done properly once and then has instructor assistance to help with the next one. A couple of us also worked on mounting new scopes (one guy bought my backup SWFA 10x to replace his MOA scope) and/or tearing down and rebuilding our other rifles during some of the downtime. This was one area where reading the thread(s) told me what to do, but hearing it explained and watching it get done properly and methodically, was valuable to me from a how and why perspective.

One thing I noticed about myself is that prior to showing up, I didn’t fully understand the process(es), so I skipped some things and wasn’t methodical and meticulous like Form. It often seemed like my approach was “klaatu barada necktie” instead of “klaatu barada nikto.” If you have seen Army of Darkness, you know how that works out. The details matter.
 
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