RokStok

[Formidilosus]

Do you not worry about the wooden rokstocks due to the large barrel clearance? Swelling anywhere else wouldn’t cause any function or accuracy issues - is that the thought?

I’ve never seen a good stock swell. All barrels should have enough clearance to throw a dead cat through, regardless of material.

 

[mtnwrunner]

I’ve never seen a good stock swell. All barrels should have enough clearance to throw a dead cat through, regardless of material.

Only one?

 

[svivian]

I’m surprised by all the concern of weather and moisture with a wooden stock….. you guys should see the shit I do to my wood spearguns that are saturated for up to a week at a time and beat to hell.

I got a chance to fondle the wood rokstock when they were first coming out and it seemed to be one of the best quality wood stocks I have ever handled.

 

[Speaks]

So this is likely kind of a dumb question and just be being indecisive but here it goes.

I am planning to order a wood rokstock lite that will go on either my 223 or 6cm. Ive been using a regular rokstock for about 6 months and like it so far, I am not 100% sure that I have arrived on my final LOP figure yet.

I am 6'2 165lbs, 34.5 inch sleeve, slim face with high cheek bones. I am currently running my rokstocks with a single spacer so right at 14inch lop and using rs1.2 and UM low rings. It seems to work but I am also newer to positional shooting with it and I chose both that LOP and ring height after messing around in my garage for all of an hour. So while its been working for me I am not 100% sure that either ring height or LOP is going to be my permanent preference.

So the question

1. Should I consider setting up a gun with longer LOP and more ring height and do some testing while actually shooting or does my set up sound right enough to just keep with it?

2. Do I order one with spacer kit to be able to adjust later if I want? It wont look as good but I guess I dont care a ton - though spending $2k on wood it is a consideration even if minor.

 

[rbutcher1234]

So this is likely kind of a dumb question and just be being indecisive but here it goes.

I am planning to order a wood rokstock lite that will go on either my 223 or 6cm. Ive been using a regular rokstock for about 6 months and like it so far, I am not 100% sure that I have arrived on my final LOP figure yet.

I am 6'2 165lbs, 34.5 inch sleeve, slim face with high cheek bones. I am currently running my rokstocks with a single spacer so right at 14inch lop and using rs1.2 and UM low rings. It seems to work but I am also newer to positional shooting with it and I chose both that LOP and ring height after messing around in my garage for all of an hour. So while its been working for me I am not 100% sure that either ring height or LOP is going to be my permanent preference.

So the question

1. Should I consider setting up a gun with longer LOP and more ring height and do some testing while actually shooting or does my set up sound right enough to just keep with it?

2. Do I order one with spacer kit to be able to adjust later if I want? It wont look as good but I guess I dont care a ton - though spending $2k on wood it is a consideration even if minor.

For reference, I am 5’7” and wear a 33” sleeve shirt. My LOP on all my guns is 14.5”. That includes rokstoks, AIs, my Blaser R8, AR15s and SR25s. I shoot a longer LOP than lots of people I personally know who are bigger than me. I don’t worry about it.

If you messed with it in the garage and it felt right, the next thing you need to do is go shoot in different positions on a timer. Go shoot the hunting drill @form has posted in the past. Put yourself on a timer and see how you perform in various positional strings of fire. A timed kraft drill might also help.

Since you have the spacer kit and are concerned about what to order with wood, all of this might give you piece of mind.


HOWEVER…….. you’d be just fine to order the wood Rokstok at 14.25” and just go kill things with it without a second thought.

 

[atmat]

So this is likely kind of a dumb question and just be being indecisive but here it goes.

I am planning to order a wood rokstock lite that will go on either my 223 or 6cm. Ive been using a regular rokstock for about 6 months and like it so far, I am not 100% sure that I have arrived on my final LOP figure yet.

I am 6'2 165lbs, 34.5 inch sleeve, slim face with high cheek bones. I am currently running my rokstocks with a single spacer so right at 14inch lop and using rs1.2 and UM low rings. It seems to work but I am also newer to positional shooting with it and I chose both that LOP and ring height after messing around in my garage for all of an hour. So while its been working for me I am not 100% sure that either ring height or LOP is going to be my permanent preference.

So the question

1. Should I consider setting up a gun with longer LOP and more ring height and do some testing while actually shooting or does my set up sound right enough to just keep with it?

2. Do I order one with spacer kit to be able to adjust later if I want? It wont look as good but I guess I dont care a ton - though spending $2k on wood it is a consideration even if minor.

I don’t think it hurts to order with the spacer kit installed. I’m doing that on all Rokstoks now.

 

[Speaks]

For reference, I am 5’7” and wear a 33” sleeve shirt. My LOP on all my guns is 14.5”. That includes rokstoks, AIs, my Blaser R8, AR15s and SR25s. I shoot a longer LOP than lots of people I personally know who are bigger than me. I don’t worry about it.

If you messed with it in the garage and it felt right, the next thing you need to do is go shoot in different positions on a timer. Go shoot the hunting drill @form has posted in the past. Put yourself on a timer and see how you perform in various positional strings of fire. A timed kraft drill might also help.

Since you have the spacer kit and are concerned about what to order with wood, all of this might give you piece of mind.


HOWEVER…….. you’d be just fine to order the wood Rokstok at 14.25” and just go kill things with it without a second thought.

Yea this likely makes sense. I have shot a bunch with my 223 in particular but both my rifles are set up totally identical. I have 3 now so setting up in a few slightly different configurations and testing likely makes the most sense. Different rounds which will account for some variation but it should still give me a good idea.

I know for sure I do not want to go shorter, but should also likely try longer with the medium rings since I have the stuff at my disposal to mess with.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

So this is likely kind of a dumb question and just be being indecisive but here it goes.

I am planning to order a wood rokstock lite that will go on either my 223 or 6cm. Ive been using a regular rokstock for about 6 months and like it so far, I am not 100% sure that I have arrived on my final LOP figure yet.

I am 6'2 165lbs, 34.5 inch sleeve, slim face with high cheek bones. I am currently running my rokstocks with a single spacer so right at 14inch lop and using rs1.2 and UM low rings. It seems to work but I am also newer to positional shooting with it and I chose both that LOP and ring height after messing around in my garage for all of an hour. So while its been working for me I am not 100% sure that either ring height or LOP is going to be my permanent preference.

So the question

1. Should I consider setting up a gun with longer LOP and more ring height and do some testing while actually shooting or does my set up sound right enough to just keep with it?

2. Do I order one with spacer kit to be able to adjust later if I want? It wont look as good but I guess I dont care a ton - though spending $2k on wood it is a consideration even if minor.

If you do change LOP you don't necessarily need to go to higher rings like most assume. Maybe with your higher cheek bones going to mediums wouldn't be bad.

I played around with all different configs no spacers, one spacer, 2 spacers, 3 spacers, low rings, medium rings, high rings, all possible combinations with Maven RS1.2 and SWFA Fixed 6 scopes. I'm somewhere between 6'1" and 6'2" with long arms and tall torso.

If you have good fundamentals and mechanics, every single one of those combos is perfectly shootable. If you have poor fundamentals and mechanics and only shoot it from a concrete bench, you will find yourself needing the LOP and scope height to be "just so". It's mostly overthought nonsense.

For me, and how I shoot, all my Rokstoks have 3 spacers and both medium and low rings are great, with nearly all of them being low rings.

 

[longrangelead]

So this is likely kind of a dumb question and just be being indecisive but here it goes.

I am planning to order a wood rokstock lite that will go on either my 223 or 6cm. Ive been using a regular rokstock for about 6 months and like it so far, I am not 100% sure that I have arrived on my final LOP figure yet.

I am 6'2 165lbs, 34.5 inch sleeve, slim face with high cheek bones. I am currently running my rokstocks with a single spacer so right at 14inch lop and using rs1.2 and UM low rings. It seems to work but I am also newer to positional shooting with it and I chose both that LOP and ring height after messing around in my garage for all of an hour. So while its been working for me I am not 100% sure that either ring height or LOP is going to be my permanent preference.

So the question

1. Should I consider setting up a gun with longer LOP and more ring height and do some testing while actually shooting or does my set up sound right enough to just keep with it?

2. Do I order one with spacer kit to be able to adjust later if I want? It wont look as good but I guess I dont care a ton - though spending $2k on wood it is a consideration even if minor.

I'm built similar to you. I'm 6 foot but have a wing span of 6'-2", medium rings w/RS 1.2 or SWFA.
I prefer 14" to 14.25"
Part of it depends on your neck length though.

You could try taping cardboard to the butt a layer at a time to see if it gets more or less comfortable.

I have found LOP is most critical when prone shooting uphill 10 degrees or so. in that position it's hard to adjust the body to the gun so adjusting the gun to the body becomes necessary. If LOP is too short, I have to push the gun away.
by doing that I loose contact on my shoulder and give up some control of the rifle.

If LOP is correct in that position, adjusting your head/neck slightly in other positions is subconscious and usually minor.

Scopes have become longer in the back recently. If your LOP is .25" too long, it's usually easier to move the scope back than it is to move the scope forward if LOP is .25" too short

 

[Speaks]

If you do change LOP you don't necessarily need to go to higher rings like most assume. Maybe with your higher cheek bones going to mediums wouldn't be bad.

I played around with all different configs no spacers, one spacer, 2 spacers, 3 spacers, low rings, medium rings, high rings, all possible combinations with Maven RS1.2 and SWFA Fixed 6 scopes. I'm somewhere between 6'1" and 6'2" with long arms and tall torso.

If you have good fundamentals and mechanics, every single one of those combos is perfectly shootable. If you have poor fundamentals and mechanics and only shoot it from a concrete bench, you will find yourself needing the LOP and scope height to be "just so". It's mostly overthought nonsense.

For me, and how I shoot, all my Rokstoks have 3 spacers and both medium and low rings are great, with nearly all of them being low rings.

Likely true that it does not really matter too much. Few weeks ago a buddy asked me to sight in his new Tikka and I quickly did that and then took a few shots prone, sitting unsupported, and offhand. Shot it just as well as if it was my rifle. I didnt even notice until after I was done that he had 1/4 shorter LOP and medium rings. I think his swfa 6x seemed more forgiving than my mavin in terms of eye box, though I suppose the lesson largely is that it does not matter all that much.

Im going to leave my 6.5cm just how it is and throw some swfa 3-9s on my 223 and my 6cm with a little more LOP and lows on one and mediums on the other and try to get in some trigger time.

I also didnt want to order wood with spacers but should likely just do that.

 

[coy17]

Anybody build a night hunting thermal rifle on a rokstok ? Torn on going rokstok or chassis for a tripod based coyote gun

 

[Nine Banger]

Anybody build a night hunting thermal rifle on a rokstok ? Torn on going rokstok or chassis for a tripod based coyote gun

I'm getting there. I want to get a 14" (Rokstok Lite) or 16" (Rokstok) 22 creed with a Thermion XL60.

I'm currently still using my chassis and Thermion Trail LRF.



What I have works and I have too many other irons in the fire to get it moving faster.

My motivation to change it up is for form factor and cross training since I shoot a Rokstok during the day for 99% of shots.

My McMillan Mountain Tracker LR already has an ARC piece recessed into the middle of the stock so it may end up in that instead of a Rokstok. I have one Rokstok with an arca rail and it sticks out like a sore thumb.

I switched from using a tripod at night to pack and sticks rests tho.

 

[43.6N]

Anybody build a night hunting thermal rifle on a rokstok ? Torn on going rokstok or chassis for a tripod based coyote gun

I have both the McMillan and Rokstok.
I think the flat bottom forend on the McMillan mtlr and Arca plate from factory make it better suited for a tripod dedicated rig.

The rounded forend on Rokstock make it better for mixed media rests (bags/backpacks/etc)
And I agree, adding extra plates to the Rokstock makes them stick out like sore thumbs.

You can always just put a tac table plate on your tripod, and run a bag. Super quick, quiet, and very stable. Avoids fumbling with QD levers in the dark. Allows Rokstok to recoil the way it was designed. Really best of all worlds

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Anybody build a night hunting thermal rifle on a rokstok ? Torn on going rokstok or chassis for a tripod based coyote gun

I've shot the rokstok off my coyote hunting tripod (daytime with a normal scope) a couple times. The position of the rail on the fore-end makes for an awkward reach to the ball head adjustment knobs unless you have really long arms. I prefer a mounting point closer to the receiver like you could get with a chassis (if it has an m-lock or continous arca rail). Both for reach purposes and a more neutral balance point.



Better look at how long the reach is


An adjustable LOP buttstock is also nice so you can better dial in body position related to reaching your ball head knobs. I position the butt stock on my AR a little shorter when I'm shooting off the tripod.

 

[Nine Banger]

You can always just put a tac table plate on your tripod, and run a bag. Super quick, quiet, and very stable. Avoids fumbling with QD levers in the dark. Allows Rokstok to recoil the way it was designed. Really best of all worlds

Good idea.

I use this for that type of shooting, it works OK and it's paid for:

 

[Speaks]

I've shot the rokstok off my coyote hunting tripod (daytime with a normal scope) a couple times. The position of the rail on the fore-end makes for an awkward reach to the ball head adjustment knobs unless you have really long arms. I prefer a mounting point closer to the receiver like you could get with a chassis (if it has an m-lock or continous arca rail). Both for reach purposes and a more neutral balance point.

They list this as an accessory now to be mounted right in front of the max well. Think I am going to order one and see if it is more helpful or annoying. It would solve the tripod issue though.

I dont honestly mind the reach to my anvil but my smaller field tripod cant balance the rifle when clipped in. I dont tripod shoot a lot but in one particular location its really really handy.

 

[kswaterfowl]

I added the 45mm mtngear arca rail on my rokstok in case I wanted to shoot off a tripod. It is the most low profile arca that I have found that isnt obnoxious while carrying the rifle in hand.

Arca Swiss Rails

We now have a range of lightweight Arca Swiss Rails for use on stocks, spotters and cameras. Our rails are machined out to reduce weight and to be ergonomic enhancing grip when carrying your rifle and with reduced sharp edges. Models Forend ARCA Swiss rail with sling attachment. 22grams (0.8oz)...

www.mtngear.nz

 

[Nine Banger]

I've shot the rokstok off my coyote hunting tripod (daytime with a normal scope) a couple times. The position of the rail on the fore-end makes for an awkward reach to the ball head adjustment knobs unless you have really long arms. I prefer a mounting point closer to the receiver like you could get with a chassis (if it has an m-lock or continous arca rail). Both for reach purposes and a more neutral balance point.

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Better look at how long the reach is
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An adjustable LOP buttstock is also nice so you can better dial in body position related to reaching your ball head knobs. I position the butt stock on my AR a little shorter when I'm shooting off the tripod.

Good point.

If you're 100% tripod you gotta have something in the middle, the trinity rail stinks on a tripod.

Now that I just use my sticks and pack I always say I'm going to take this back off when I get home and forget about it.

 

[Nine Banger]

They list this as an accessory now to be mounted right in front of the max well. Think I am going to order one and see if it is more helpful or annoying. It would solve the tripod issue though.

That's what one of my Rokstoks came with.

I took it right off day 1 and its in a ziploc somewhere around here.

It's just 2 holes drilled and 2 T-nuts on the other side.

 

[wind gypsy]

Im for either full length ARCA or nothing other than a small rail in the scallop. Do not like little sections of rail or a bunch of steps on the fore end.