RokStok

[benconfused]

Thank you. Will you please call UM and speak to Jake about it. Him getting real numbers is the only way to attempt getting change.

The R700 isn’t surprising at all. There is no across the board true “drop in” due to the wildly different manufacturers of actions. The Tikka should be correct. Because I can not remember- do the RokStoks come with aftermarket action screws? If so, and even if they don’t- can you measure the functional length of them with factory if you have some.

Do you know if these measurements are within or outside the known or suggested tolerance range of the Rokstok?

 

[Formidilosus]

Maybe not easy but it would fix most of the inlet problems.

And nearly double the cost of the stock.

Again, this isn’t a rampant issue. I have seen and installed a bunch of RokStoks- one had a potential inlet issue and 30sec with a hand file had the problem solved.

 

[Nine Banger]

Again, this isn’t a rampant issue. I have seen and installed a bunch of RokStoks- one had a potential inlet issue and 30sec with a hand file had the problem solved.

It seems like a lot of these issues not just with the Rokstock but with other products on the forum are fallout from the industry empowering the market to play gunsmith.

 

[Formidilosus]

It seems like a lot of these issues not just with the Rokstock but with other products on the forum are fallout from the industry empowering the market to play gunsmith.

Absolutely. The base problem is consumers do not have realistic expectations. There is no such thing in stocks as “drop in”- if you want the fit to be perfect. The best that can be hoped for is that most are good enough to be acceptable, and very few need a bit of work to fit well.

 

[deerhunter628]

Absolutely. The base problem is consumers do not have realistic expectations. There is no such thing in stocks as “drop in”- if you want the fit to be perfect. The best that can be hoped for is that most are good enough to be acceptable, and very few need a bit of work to fit well.

That seems reasonable as long as that is what was advertised to people when they were buying them.

 

[Formidilosus]

That seems reasonable as long as that is what was advertised to people when they were buying them.

It’s not advertised or not- it’s reality of all aftermarket stocks. They are all mass produced items and there are tolerances in everything. When you mass produce there are going to be combinations that land on the ends of the bell curve.

 

[Southernfried]

Absolutely. The base problem is consumers do not have realistic expectations. There is no such thing in stocks as “drop in”- if you want the fit to be perfect. The best that can be hoped for is that most are good enough to be acceptable, and very few need a bit of work to fit well.

I can attest to that, in my time I have bought "drop ins" from Bell & Carlson, Ultradyne, Boyds, H-S Precision, and had issues with fitment (minor) on all of the Remington 700's I have owned, and even TC Encore (had to have an extra washer on the rear stock screw so you could cock it). My Ultradyne chassis was the closest I will say. But, I never expect a stock to fit without some tweaking. It may just be the times we live in, but they used to say in the fine print, "to be installed by a competent gunsmith"? LOL well I aint competent but did sleep at a Holiday Inn one time, lol so what ever I screw up, is on me. I have had to grind down bolts, get longer bolts, add washers, sand out a channel etc. etc. To ME, it is just expected, for what I am paying for and not paying for.

 

[atmat]

It’s not advertised or not- it’s reality of all aftermarket stocks.

But there are a lot of people who don’t know that — me included before joining Rokslide. It would be a good call out on the webpage (if not already mentioned).

 

[Formidilosus]

But there are a lot of people who don’t know that — me included before joining Rokstok. It would be a good call out on the webpage (if not already mentioned).

Sure I think so too. The issue, is that people then wouldn’t buy the product because other companies claim “drop in”. It’s a fixed game in some aspects.

 

[deerhunter628]

It’s not advertised or not- it’s reality of all aftermarket stocks. They are all mass produced items and there are tolerances in everything. When you mass produce there are going to be combinations that land on the ends of the bell curve.

When they were first pitching the Rokstok they were saying that they were fixing a lot of mistakes they perceived other stock companies made. Im not sure what all of those issues were. It just sounds like some customers are not informed properly.

 

[SloppyJ]

I've only had one stock drop in and fit perfectly and that was a McMillan that was spec'd specifically for my action. I've spent more time than I'd like to admit on tinkering with 3 manners stocks. I have to hand sand every one of them for bolt sweep, and then dremel some out to work with a hawkins hunter bottom metal. You know what will really piss you off? Taping and spray painting a stock you just spent $1200 on.

I think @Nine Banger is dead nuts on. We've empowered an era of bolt action legos when tolerance stacking is a thing and there's truly no set standard. I've filed action screws, hogged out inlets and barrel channels, this isn't a plug an play game by any means. If you can't problem solve, then I'd suggest sticking with factory options or paying someone to do it for you. Yes it sucks but it's just part of the game. However, sometimes, things just get messed up.

All this said, I've still yet to get my email about my lefty coming in and because I'm talking shit I'm sure I'll get to play around with mine now.

 

[Formidilosus]

All this said, I've still yet to get my email about my lefty coming in and because I'm talking shit I'm sure I'll get to play around with mine now.

Your stock was lost.




In my trailer.

 

[SloppyJ]

Your stock was lost.




In my trailer.

Next to the bags of candy that you hand out to the chillrhens? If you don't hit that 100k oil change I'll find that sum bitch broke down on the side of the road.

 

[Formidilosus]

Next to the bags of candy that you hand out to the chillrhens? If you don't hit that 100k oil change I'll find that sum bitch broke down on the side of the road.

Haha.

 

[wind gypsy]

Heres all my data. Don't have an oem Tikka stock to compare to anymore. Her rifles been in a bravo, and a MESA Altitude. None the dimensions below are bedded. Just raw inlet.

F: Front pillar height, R: Rear pillar height

Rokstok 1 F. 0.927 R. 1.357(Received last year)
Also had to short screws and mod mag latch

Rokstok 2 F. 0.903 R. 1.327(Received last week)

Stockys VG F. 0.948 R. 1.382(purchase last summer)

MESA Altitude Tikka. F. 0.971 R. 1.407

To get everything working for Rokstok 2, I just removed 1.5 threads from front action screw, and 3 threads from rear action screw, then took a file and removed material from mag latch until it clicked in without a ton of pressure, and depressed to release relatively easy. This is the wife's rig, so it all has to be easy with a woman's touch.

I really think these just need pillar bedded honestly, include some pillars that are the exact height as Tikka factory pillars. Say on the website it'll likely require some fitting work, but for best results, glass pillar bedding is suggested with included pillars.


Edit: Buddy has a Tikka oem stock, I'll get some dimension on that and post em in here when I do.

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Rem 700 Rokstok F. 0.658 R. 1.031

Manners M5 mini Chassis F. 0.705 R 1.085.(3 different stocks averaged, +-0.001

MDT Crbn w/ Magnesium m5 mini chassis: F. 0.723" R. 1.082

0.050 is a lot when trying to get AW mags working correctly. I will just not run AW mags in this setup, or buy the new core m5 dbm from MDT and install the adjustable mag latch. Everything worked perfectly in the Manners Mini chassis.
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I put calipers on 2 factory lite plastic stocks and a recently delivered rokstok.

The rear height was a little harder to measure.

Factory Lite stocks had Front: 928" and .930", rear: 1.350", 1.351"

Rokstok Front: 0.915", Rear 1.340". So basically 10-15 thou smaller which is quite a bit less than the thickness of shims my other 2 rokstoks needed for the high desert BM to work with factory mags.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Both of my Tikkas dropped in fine. One a little tighter than the other, but neither required shimming for the bottom plastic. Both factory and Waters mags fit just like they did in the factory stocks.

 

[HuntHarder]

My Rokstok is also off on inlet depth. I had to file down both action screws. Seems like an easy fix on Stockys end but I don't know for sure. I don't think I've seen one that is out of spec the other way. I would assume they are all under.

 

[BCsteve]

I received mine two weeks ago and although I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, the bottom metal fits as nice as the factory stock, barrel channel is even on both sides, stock bolts aren't protruding in the action, recoil lug is the right height and the recoil pad hasn't fallen off while sitting in the safe! Hoping to head out to the range tomorrow.

Just came back from the range with the new Rokstok. Shoots as tight as before, left to right was dead on but had to adjust the elevation 1 moa down.

Ear muffs ear pros are now in the way, going to have to figure out something. Medium Sportsmatch rings "might" be a bit low which causes me to squish my face down a bit to see through the scope properly (probably doesn't help with the ear pros being in the way). I have some high Sportsmatch with a Nightforce SHV on my .35 Whelen Tikka. I'll plop that action in the Rokstok in the off season to see if thats a better fit.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Just came back from the range with the new Rokstok. Shoots as tight as before, left to right was dead on but had to adjust the elevation 1 moa down.

Ear muffs ear pros are now in the way, going to have to figure out something. Medium Sportsmatch rings "might" be a bit low which causes me to squish my face down a bit to see through the scope properly (probably doesn't help with the ear pros being in the way). I have some high Sportsmatch with a Nightforce SHV on my .35 Whelen Tikka. I'll plop that action in the Rokstok in the off season to see if thats a better fit.

Yes, the earphones being in the way from certain positions is something which I also encountered.

 

[Kaleb]

Until now I never realized people expected aftermarket stocks to be 100% drop in. I started using McMillan stocks first back 18-20 years ago. They all got tweaked here/there then bedded. I’ve had McMillan and manners both fit close and some had to be bedded. Just part of modifying things. My rokstock is as close as any after market stock I’ve had. It’s also the factory bottom metal/plastic. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if I change the bm that a modification would be needed.