RokStok

[Timjohnson11]

I thought the same thing - doesn't UM do the final QC on these?

Yes, it would be on UM at end of the day. It certainly feels like the number of recent posts on here reporting some type of issue with fitment or cerakote being wrong is higher than would expect.

 

[Rcsims]

Received my two new rokstoks from July drop. Heights of inlets on both the Tikka and Rem700 sa are off. The Tikka: rear action screws isprotuding WAY above cocking priece race way, cannot close bolt. Front screw is likely well up into body and would contact bolt lugs. Cannot get mag into bottom plastic.

Rem 700: had to relive inlet for hawkins dbm, once again action to bottom metal height is way off. Cannot even fit an AW mag in far enough on aw cut action to get mag to latch up. Had to open up bolt cut to get the bolt closed all the way.

Once again, typical Stockys poor QC and major lack of adherence to specs. I shouldn't have to shim a bottom metal to get mags to latch, nor should I be having to shorten action screws by 0.200" to get clearance of a bolt. It's not difficult to measure "drops" from the action inlet to bottom metal inlet and make it right. I manufactured wood stocks in CNC for a few years in college. M5 pillar height is an industry wide spec, Tikka pillar height from action to bottom plastic, is a spec. Stockys don't get this, or they don't care, or they just keep cranking low quality stuff out cuz it's revenue. Last stockys products I'll be buying.

Well, I don’t like hearing this right after I just ordered my first. However, I am still very excited and hope that the QC isn’t missed on the group mine’s in.

 

[wind gypsy]

Get what ya pay for.. if they came with McMillan quality control I doubt they’d cost what they do.

 

[Timjohnson11]

Get what ya pay for.. if they came with McMillan quality control I doubt they’d cost what they do.

Lol terrible response. Regardless of price, the product is marketed as something ready to go. It shouldn’t take a doubling in price to adhere to its product description to begin with.. And if it does, then UM should either i) increase their price to cover the QC needed to meet the product description, or ii) change their marketing and messaging of the product to align expectations with current reality.

 

[waspocrew]

Get what ya pay for.. if they came with McMillan quality control I doubt they’d cost what they do.

True, although not everyone (including McMillan) is perfect.

I have a Mountain Tracker LR for my Tikka CTR. This was part of the Dev list project a while back. My invoice clearly states I had ordered the stock with a CTR bottom metal inlet - came with standard bottom metal inlet. The barrel channel was off as well (several others posted the same thing) with barrels almost contacting left side of the channel. McMillan offered to fix the bottom metal inlet, but did not address the barrel channel at all when I was communicating with them.

I agree though, generally McMillan, Manners, etc tend to have less issues and that's worth a higher price tag to me.

 

[wind gypsy]

Lol terrible response. Regardless of price, the product is marketed as something ready to go. It doesn’t take a doubling in price to adhere to the that.. And if it does, then UM should either i) increase their price to cover the QC needed to meet the product description, or ii) change their marketing and messaging of the product to align expectations with current reality.

I’m not condoning or excusing away anything other than saying it shouldnt come as a surprise that the offering that is 30% or more less expensive than AG, McMillan, manners, peak44, etc might need a little more fitting on average. Personally, I can live with adding a few washers, bottom metal sitting a bit proud, and gluing on the janky buttpad for $350 savings. Like @waspocrew said, micky and manners don’t have a spotless track record either.

It’s kind of like expecting a leofoto RRS knockoff to perform the same for half price because they market it as performing well. Newsflash, it ain’t the same quality but it might still fit users needs very well.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Get what ya pay for.. if they came with McMillan quality control I doubt they’d cost what they do.

Not making excuses, but if any other stock company had a thread where 900+ customers could gather to discuss their stock, I think you would be surprised. I have been around lots of custom builds, and stocks are the weakest link IMO.

 

[Marbles]

I thought the same thing - doesn't UM do the final QC on these?

At the end of the day, it's an aftermarket part and there may or may not be fitment issues. I just don't want to have to go out of my way grinding down action screws and shimming bottom metal to make things work. I'll find out in a few months when I get my first Rokstok delivered.

If the bottom metal sits flush (i.e. the action inlet is too deep but the bottom metal inlet is correct), I would get a set off proper length pillers and glue them in, then bed the action to build the inlet back up.

Really shouldn't have to go to those lengths on a new stock, but that is how I would fix the issue.

 

[bojangles808]

didn't the McMillan Tikkas mtlrs have uneven barrel contours. nobody is perfect. for the price the rokstock is still excellent value

 

[Formidilosus]

Lol terrible response. Regardless of price, the product is marketed as something ready to go. It shouldn’t take a doubling in price to adhere to its product description to begin with.. And if it does, then UM should either i) increase their price to cover the QC needed to meet the product description, or ii) change their marketing and messaging of the product to align expectations with current reality.

So, you are holding McMillan, Manners, etc to the same level correct? Just checking, because about 50% of the Mountain Tracker LR stocks for Tikkas had issues- intent not straight in stock, bottom metal wrong, etc. While I know they exist and have seen them, I have yet to get a Manners that was correct from them, and about 25% or so of McMillans have needed fitting and correcting.

 

[wind gypsy]

If the bottom metal sits flush (i.e. the action inlet is too deep but the bottom metal inlet is correct), I would get a set off proper length pillers and glue them in, then bed the action to build the inlet back up.

Really shouldn't have to go to those lengths on a new stock, but that is how I would fix the issue.

If I had to drill out the action screw holes, add pillars, and bed to change inlet depth, I’d definitely rather pay the premium for a stock that doesn’t need such shenanigans. That’s mostly because I don’t trust myself to not eff that work up or spend too much time doing it.

 

[RyanT26]

Get what ya pay for.. if they came with McMillan quality control I doubt they’d cost what they do.

Hopefully Unknown does not take that approach. Essentially, they will become the vortex optics of aftermarket components.

Especially if scope project is still in the works. Is the motto for that gonna be you get what you pay for…..guess you should’ve bought a Nightforce?

 

[Timjohnson11]

So, you are holding McMillan, Manners, etc to the same level correct? Just checking, because about 50% of the Mountain Tracker LR stocks for Tikkas had issues- intent not straight in stock, bottom metal wrong, etc. While I know they exist and have seen them, I have yet to get a Manners that was correct from them, and about 25% or so of McMillans have needed fitting and correcting.

no offense but what does McMillan and Manners have to do with UM or their QC? Last I heard they were separate businesses doing separate things, and I’m pretty sure people are here because they bought a RokStok or are interested in doing so, not a McMillan or Manners.

If you have valid observations or inside baseball to share as to UM’s plans to improve QC, we’re all ears. Otherwise, attempts at justifying RokStok’s QC flaws by pointing to competitors’ flaws is lazy and frankly laughable @Formidilosus.

Of course I would hold them to their same standard (though still irrelevant to the original topic here)…

 

[BCsteve]

Well, I don’t like hearing this right after I just ordered my first. However, I am still very excited and hope that the QC isn’t missed on the group mine’s in.

I received mine two weeks ago and although I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, the bottom metal fits as nice as the factory stock, barrel channel is even on both sides, stock bolts aren't protruding in the action, recoil lug is the right height and the recoil pad hasn't fallen off while sitting in the safe! Hoping to head out to the range tomorrow.

 

[Formidilosus]

no offense but what does McMillan and Manners have to do with UM or their QC? Last I heard they were separate businesses doing separate things, and I’m pretty sure people are here because they bought a RokStok or are interested in doing so, not a McMillan or Manners.

If you have valid observations or inside baseball to share as to UM’s plans to improve QC, we’re all ears. Otherwise, attempts at justifying RokStok’s QC flaws by pointing to competitors’ flaws is lazy and frankly laughable @Formidilosus.

Of course I would hold them to their same standard (though still irrelevant to the original topic here)…

Except that isn’t what I said or did. Your response or “take” on this is off center as most of your posts tend to be. What was my first post in this subject today? Hint- it’s actually trying to get full information to see where the issue lies. I have had multiple people with multiple RokStoks and Tikkas say the same thing, and yet when we measured the depth- they were right in spec. I can’t- no one can, go to UM and present an issue to be fixed without the real information- because UM can’t go to Stokys and tell them what to fix without it. You have to have the real measurements to start.


Now, for my stance on it:

ALL the companies suck. The whole industry sucks. Almost no company actually tests or has real QC processes. My response to you was because of the “you get what you pay for” statements being posted. No, actually you don’t. The poster that started this today has a stance that any of the other stock makers are better- they aren’t. Manners are the absolute worst in this regard, McMillan overall is just as bad or worse than Stockys. I’ve seen 3-4 Peak 44 stocks, and one of them the inlet had to be adjusted- that was an R700 stock, so not unusual.

My point is saying “Stockys is a POS/whatever” because of the inlet depth on a Few of a thousand plus stocks sold- ok, then you are literally saying ALL the stock companies are POS’s…. Which I actually would sort of agree with.

 

[BLJ]

Get what ya pay for.. if they came with McMillan quality control I doubt they’d cost what they do.

Even when it’s attached to a $3850 rifle?

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[Formidilosus]

Even when it’s attached to a $3850 rifle?

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What? You’re referencing a person that had a rifle modified after it left the factory, and then he himself stripped the screws out because he didn’t know how it worked- as proof of what?

 

[atmat]

What? You’re referencing a person that had a rifle modified after it left the factory, and then he himself stripped the screws out because he didn’t know how it worked- as proof of what?

For what it’s worth, I did not strip the screws out. I didn’t touch it until I talked with UM. Alex Young told me to take a 4mm hex and unscrew them. I told him they just turned, not unscrewing at all.

Then I broke a spacer. But in fairness, even on that Alex told me the screws wouldn’t come all the way out and I would need to lift and pull the spacer out. I clearly used too much force for that, and I own it.

But I did NOT strip the screws.

 

[Formidilosus]

For what it’s worth, I did not strip the screws out. I didn’t touch it until I talked with UM. Alex Young told me to take a 4mm hex and unscrew them. I told him they just turned, not unscrewing at all.

Then I broke a spacer. But in fairness, even on that Alex told me the screws wouldn’t come all the way out and I would need to lift and pull the spacer out. I clearly used too much force for that, and I own it.

But I did NOT strip the screws.

Understood- I don’t even know how they work, Ive never adjusted the spacers. I am not really saying anything about that- maybe it’s a broken spacer system, maybe it’s UM’s fault- I don’t know. But MRC isn't at fault. BLJ’s premise was a fallacy.

 

[HuntHarder]

Understood- I don’t even know how they work, Ive never adjusted the spacers. I am not really saying anything about that- maybe it’s a broken spacer system, maybe it’s UM’s fault- I don’t know. But MRC isn't at fault. BLJ’s premise was a fallacy.

As was yours, blaming @atmat