RokStok

[bielenbm]

Here we go again ^…

 

[RWT]

Send it back to UM and put Attn: Form.

I’ll ship it tomorrow.

 

[AZ_Hunter]

So what’s the latest? Are they taking orders or still getting caught up?

 

[WiscoHoundsman]

They did a drop around mid July but they were non railed versions. Said 90 days from then. Not sure what others are still waiting from. They are not currently taking orders from what I see.

 

[fraz01]

I really like listening to Aaron. He did say some shit in that podcast i completely disagree with though. I dont remember the exact quote but how a flat toe line was harder to get on target. Pretty dumb. Leupold having a lower failure rate that nightforce takes the cake.

My take on the toe line discussion is every design is a trade off. Time to design a stock with an adjustable toe line, maybe!

 

[NSI]

My take on the toe line discussion is every design is a trade off. Time to design a stock with an adjustable toe line, maybe!

The customer/commenter focus for the RS has been on the negative comb, probably because it's the most visible departure from common stock lines.

In shooting the RS back to back with other decent stocks (Grayboe Phoenix, Bastion, modded factory) what actually stands out the most to me in practice is the straight-to-the-rear tracking on the bags. That comes from the flat foreend and the flat toe line.

I don't think folks appreciate a few things enough about that flat toe:

1) How much of your reticle rise in follow-through is actually due to a sloping toe sliding backwards down a bag - not "recoil"

2) How nice it is to be able to make elevation adjustments by squeezing ANYWHERE on the stock your off hand might end up due to positional considerations

3) How much more control you have when YOU get to decide where your off-hand is vs needing to place it where the target elevation matches the slope of the toe

4) How easy (and professionally common) it is to make elevation adjustments by squeezing a rear bag

While I'm still building rifles on Bastions, that's driven by factors other than a belief in any advantage whatsoever of a sloped toe line.

-J

 

[Timjohnson11]

I'd agree with @NSI's comments above and learned the lesson first hand recently... I originally found my Seekins Slam chassis slightly harder to spot impacts when compared to other rifles of the same caliber/weight, specifically my buddies Clymer. I chaulked it up to the fact that it was an inherent downside to chassis systems from a below-bore line approach to the stock. Fast forward to a couple months back and I put together a (very makeshift and homemade) bag rider. The catalyst there was just to improve target acquisition time. However, the unintended outcome was a rifle with less muzzle rise. I no longer notice much of a difference between my Slam and (my buddies) Magnus, solely from minimizing the rifles' ability to slide backwards down my rear bag..

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Not all guns survive a morning of shooting in 30 mph blowing sand.

 

[NSI]

Not all guns survive a morning of shooting in 30 mph blowing sand.

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Lisan al gaib!

-J

 

[ztc92]

Just a tip for anyone still waiting on orders from May...

UM sent an email about my Rokstok order to confirm the specs on 8/20 but unfortunately it got filtered to spam and I never saw it. It seems they won’t be completing finish work on any stocks until they get confirmation of specs by email or phone, so I’m guessing my stocks have been sitting there for the past week awaiting a thumbs up from me that I didn’t know was required. Obviously this is my fault for missing their email and I’m glad UM is making sure they get the details right before making final changes.

I figured others may want to know this is the work flow so they can look for any emails they may have missed or that mistakenly went to spam so there are no unnecessary delays.

To their credit, UM did call me today noting they were still waiting on my approval and left a VM, which led to me finding the missed email. I’m really glad they called, but I also wish it had been sooner so they wouldn’t have just been sitting there this past week.

Rewardless, it’s great to see the May orders are coming through and mine looks to be almost exactly 90 days to reach UM from Stockys. I’m guessing another 1-2 weeks for final touches and hopeful be shooting it by mid-September. Well done UM, can’t wait to get my hands on them!

 

[stevie]

My May order arrived yesterday.

 

[Alex Genereux]

Setup 16.5” 6 creed, OG, SHV 3-10. 8 lb 13oz fully setup.

 

[Ajsomp]

Setup 16.5” 6 creed, OG, SHV 3-10. 8 lb 13oz fully setup.

That cerakote came out nice

 

[Schmo]

The customer/commenter focus for the RS has been on the negative comb, probably because it's the most visible departure from common stock lines.

In shooting the RS back to back with other decent stocks (Grayboe Phoenix, Bastion, modded factory) what actually stands out the most to me in practice is the straight-to-the-rear tracking on the bags. That comes from the flat foreend and the flat toe line.

I don't think folks appreciate a few things enough about that flat toe:

1) How much of your reticle rise in follow-through is actually due to a sloping toe sliding backwards down a bag - not "recoil"

2) How nice it is to be able to make elevation adjustments by squeezing ANYWHERE on the stock your off hand might end up due to positional considerations

3) How much more control you have when YOU get to decide where your off-hand is vs needing to place it where the target elevation matches the slope of the toe

4) How easy (and professionally common) it is to make elevation adjustments by squeezing a rear bag

While I'm still building rifles on Bastions, that's driven by factors other than a belief in any advantage whatsoever of a sloped toe line.

-J

One thing that stood out to me in the podcast with Cliff and Aaron is when Aaron was talking about a flat toe, he was saying it’s harder to make adjustments with a flat toe line. So he’s using a stock like a bag rider. S2H does not teach this. They teach that your support hand is between the bag and stock. It’s not hard when done that way. With @Cliff Gray having been through the S2H class, I wish he would have called this out to Aaron.

 

[BAKPAKR]

One thing that stood out to me in the podcast with Cliff and Aaron is when Aaron was talking about a flat toe, he was saying it’s harder to make adjustments with a flat toe line. So he’s using a stock like a bag rider. S2H does not teach this. They teach that your support hand is between the bag and stock. It’s not hard when done that way. With @Cliff Gray having been through the S2H class, I wish he would have called this out to Aaron.

“They teach that your support hand is between the bag and stock.”

Do you have a photo of this? I am having a hard time picturing what you mean.

 

[BBob]

I am having a hard time picturing what you mean.

Right handed shooter. Left hand sits on top of rear bag with fingers pointing backwards towards right shoulder. Thumb, web and forefinger guide/support bottom of stock. Lower fingers and base of thumb cup/pinch bag.

Not the best picture but mby you can see what I mean. Mby someone has a better photo.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

“They teach that your support hand is between the bag and stock.”

Do you have a photo of this? I am having a hard time picturing what you mean.

This is what I’ve taught since before Rokslide was a website. It’s the best way to still properly control the gun while using a rear rest (the rest doesn’t have to be a bag). It can be just your hand, a lightweight bag, a rock, your bino harness on chest (learned from Rokslide and is my new go-to), etc.

I’ll try to dig up a photo or two.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

This is with a rear bag from LS Wild, but she took the picture before I had proper trigger hand grip and hadn’t fully gripped the butt stock yet with off hand pointer and ring finger.

It should give you a general idea.

 

[BAKPAKR]

This is what I’ve taught since before Rokslide was a website. It’s the best way to still properly control the gun while using a rear rest (the rest doesn’t have to be a bag). It can be just your hand, a lightweight bag, a rock, your bino harness on chest (learned from Rokslide and is my new go-to), etc.

I’ll try to dig up a photo or two.

Thanks for the photos but aren’t you just squishing the bag to hold the rifle? I guess I did use my hand between my rifle and my “bag” (actually my brother’s thigh) on a mule deer, but I am not seeing that you would need your hand between the bag and the rifle if the bag were high enough.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Thanks for the photos but aren’t you just squishing the bag to hold the rifle? I guess I did use my hand between my rifle and my “bag” (actually my brother’s thigh) on a mule deer, but I am not seeing that you would need your hand between the bag and the rifle if the bag were high enough.

You put something else underneath your hand if your hand alone isn’t enough, but I was originally taught to keep your hand on the rifle. Only later did I learn the “squeeze the bag” technique.


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