RokStok

[lak2004]

Your response was to if all orders from last year were filled yet. I haven’t been keeping track and I ordered way late so that’s why your response had me curious.

My response was what UM said in a bunch if posts above. They stated all current orders would be filled by next month, then they would open up for new orders.

 

[khuber84]

they should just stick with Tikka and 700 inlets going forward and keep things streamlined

They've already jammed up stockys by bringing in the MRC S2H rifle with M70 inlet rokstok for production rifle availability. How many of these will sell? Idk.......but it's sure to tie up more production line time.

 

[The Guide]

Can’t say I have one. Way back in this thread it’s covered that I was going to order one but UM website was inaccurate on inventory so I didn’t.

Doesn't own a stock, doesn't have a stock on order, and has a whole lot of opinions on it. How many stocks have you brought to market of any design, material, or quality?

Jay

 

[plebe]

Doesn't own a stock, doesn't have a stock on order, and has a whole lot of opinions on it. How many stocks have you brought to market of any design, material, or quality?

Jay

I just don’t own a RokStock. What that I have written do you disagree with Jay?

 

[plebe]

There’s 8044 posts. How many RokStoks?

 

[lak2004]

There’s 8044 posts. How many RokStoks?

Most of the posts are just bs banter from people complaining about something or other. Or speculating and arguing semantics.

I've got one, love it. Don't buy it if you have issues, simple.

 

[plebe]

Most of the posts are just bs banter from people complaining about something or other. Or speculating and arguing semantics.

I've got one, love it. Don't buy it if you have issues, simple.

Probably a large number are people wanting to know the status of their RokStok orders. Some UM status updates. And some of that other stuff too. Just validating that you don’t have to have a RokStok to post here as @The Guide insinuates.

Indeed I will buy what I want without forum permission, as I expect others to do.

But it won’t take much effort to find where I’ve said I like the design. So there’s that for those who it matters to.

 

[The Guide]

I just don’t own a RokStock. What that I have written do you disagree with Jay?

What would YOU have done differently and how do you know that it would have worked better than the current system?

I've stayed pretty well abreast of the on going Rokstok thread and listened to the podcasts and read the posts from UM in reference to the Rokstok. After the first few stocks shipped it was stated that the unfinished carbon wasn't of a surface quality that they felt that unfinished carbon stocks should not be sold. They offered a single color stock at no additional charge but if you wanted the bare carbon you would wait longer for the best stocks and even then, they wouldn't be perfect.

The information you quoted from the website about an uncharged for bare carbon is on new orders and was put in place after ordered were ended due to the issues with surface blems on the bare carbon. Nobody getting a bare carbon stock right now is getting charged more.

You are not using the entire story to make your assumptions and I see a lot of complaining without any constructive support. Again, I ask what your experience in the realm of stock making is and how you would make things better?

Jay

 

[The Guide]

Just validating that you don’t have to have a RokStok to post here as @The Guide insinuates.

Never said you had to have a stock to post here but for all the complaining you've done, you don't have much skin in the game. Does crapping on the Rokstok make your scrotum swell? if so, you should see a doctor for your potential condition.

Jay

 

[plebe]

Never said you had to have a stock to post here but for all the complaining you've done, you don't have much skin in the game. Does crapping on the Rokstok make your scrotum swell? if so, you should see a doctor for your potential condition.

Jay

it’s just a gun stock Jay.

 

[The Guide]

it’s just a gun stock Jay.

That it is. A couple even have surface blemishes cause they didn't get painted. Oh no!

Jay

 

[khuber84]

it’s just a gun stock Jay.

Well it's the Rokstok and this is Rokslide so.......in all fairness, UM has had to go through a lot of painful learning experiences getting into 3rd party manufacturing of a high demand product. To meet a price point, that had to be selective who they decided with. Stockys has had their hiccups, which have caused UM quoted production rates, availability, and order fulfilment to lag behind desired schedule.

I know UM doesn't want this, they have been doing all they can to be as transparent with what the 3rd party manufacturer's relaying to them. These are growing pains, and when your in a joint venture where manufacturing is out of your hands, it's extremely frustrating when these delays occur. More molds could be purchased, but does stockys have the man power to increase productivity?

These are the behind the scenes details we don't see, nor should we, both these companies have businesses, and stockys has their own product lines that need fulfilling as well.

I am not waiting on stocks, I've received both mine, and I am happy with their form/function. It does suck to have to wait for something, especially a very long time from original said estimates. I'm not a very patient person so trust me, I get it. BUT you will get a product that performs at or above expectations, although your raw carbon no paint finish COULD possibly have a few flaws, mine did, but I painted it with some sponges and paint from hobby lobby.

 

[lintond]

Lots of banter about quality and cosmetics. Here is a real example and my thoughts.

I was a day one order. I ordered a LE green (waiting on still) and a bare carbon. I ordered the bare carbon with intentions to cerakote in the future once full rifle was is in hand. At the time of ordering there was no discussion of bare carbon being more difficult to produce but I can understand that paint can hide flaws. I would expect that to be to cover up patching & filler if there are voids after the mold is pulled.

My stock looks great except the other day I discovered this void. It is apparent there is a bubble in the resin that I’ve popped thru limited use. I was practicing positions in the garage when I found it. It’s about as deep as wide for reference. This isn’t something that paint would cover, but paint could hide a repair of it. My intention is to try and patch it with some epoxy because I don’t want to wait for a replacement stock.

Am I happy about this blemish? No, but I’m also not too upset about it because the stock is about 1/2 what comparable stocks are from Manners/McMillan. Many of you need to realize you can’t expect champagne on a beer budget!

I am anxious to receive my long overdue LE green stock. I’m setting my expectations at 50/50 that it has similar flaws. I really hope not because it’s not intended to be painted.

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[plebe]

Seems like UM has it covered with their repair, repaint, or replace policy. How people utilize or don’t utilize that is up to them. I don’t see one approach as more right than another.

 

[plebe]

I’ll probably order a lite version, but I’m glad I waited for some of the kinks to be ironed out. Other carbon fiber stock makers can make visually perfect stocks, so it’s apparent that Stocky’s choice in materials or procedures are at fault.
If I were Stockies I’d go take a carbon composites course from Dark Aero in Wisconsin. It’s a bunch of engineers that developed an airplane out of carbon fiber that is visually stunning. They also do classes and consulting on the side for composites.

This was my thinking as well.

I do believe a different process of manufacture altogether would make a nicer stock, in appearance and performance, but the Stocky’s way certainly makes for a more economical product. Sako has a video on how it makes their CF stocks and it’s pretty impressive what can be done.

Hopefully Stocky’s can catch up to demand, I’m looking forward to the lite.

 

[nighthawkf-117]

Lots of banter about quality and cosmetics. Here is a real example and my thoughts.

I was a day one order. I ordered a LE green (waiting on still) and a bare carbon. I ordered the bare carbon with intentions to cerakote in the future once full rifle was is in hand. At the time of ordering there was no discussion of bare carbon being more difficult to produce but I can understand that paint can hide flaws. I would expect that to be to cover up patching & filler if there are voids after the mold is pulled.

My stock looks great except the other day I discovered this void. It is apparent there is a bubble in the resin that I’ve popped thru limited use. I was practicing positions in the garage when I found it. It’s about as deep as wide for reference. This isn’t something that paint would cover, but paint could hide a repair of it. My intention is to try and patch it with some epoxy because I don’t want to wait for a replacement stock.

Am I happy about this blemish? No, but I’m also not too upset about it because the stock is about 1/2 what comparable stocks are from Manners/McMillan. Many of you need to realize you can’t expect champagne on a beer budget!

I am anxious to receive my long overdue LE green stock. I’m setting my expectations at 50/50 that it has similar flaws. I really hope not because it’s not intended to be painted.

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To preface this, I am a supporter of the rokstock. I don't have one yet but have nothing against UM or the Rokstock. However that is really unacceptable quality. I produce carbon composite parts as a hobby in my garage, and I can spot and address air bubbles (voids) like this easily. A "professional" manufacturer should not have let that out of their facility.

 

[PLhunter]

Seems like UM has it covered with their repair, repaint, or replace policy. How people utilize or don’t utilize that is up to them. I don’t see one approach as more right than another.

This policy is a bit like what vehicle warranties have become.

Lots of banter about quality and cosmetics. Here is a real example and my thoughts.

I was a day one order. I ordered a LE green (waiting on still) and a bare carbon. I ordered the bare carbon with intentions to cerakote in the future once full rifle was is in hand. At the time of ordering there was no discussion of bare carbon being more difficult to produce but I can understand that paint can hide flaws. I would expect that to be to cover up patching & filler if there are voids after the mold is pulled.

My stock looks great except the other day I discovered this void. It is apparent there is a bubble in the resin that I’ve popped thru limited use. I was practicing positions in the garage when I found it. It’s about as deep as wide for reference. This isn’t something that paint would cover, but paint could hide a repair of it. My intention is to try and patch it with some epoxy because I don’t want to wait for a replacement stock.

Am I happy about this blemish? No, but I’m also not too upset about it because the stock is about 1/2 what comparable stocks are from Manners/McMillan. Many of you need to realize you can’t expect champagne on a beer budget!

I am anxious to receive my long overdue LE green stock. I’m setting my expectations at 50/50 that it has similar flaws. I really hope not because it’s not intended to be painted.

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That is more than cosmetic. That legit could affect the longevity of the product. Wow.

 

[Juan_ID]

Lots of banter about quality and cosmetics. Here is a real example and my thoughts.

I was a day one order. I ordered a LE green (waiting on still) and a bare carbon. I ordered the bare carbon with intentions to cerakote in the future once full rifle was is in hand. At the time of ordering there was no discussion of bare carbon being more difficult to produce but I can understand that paint can hide flaws. I would expect that to be to cover up patching & filler if there are voids after the mold is pulled.

My stock looks great except the other day I discovered this void. It is apparent there is a bubble in the resin that I’ve popped thru limited use. I was practicing positions in the garage when I found it. It’s about as deep as wide for reference. This isn’t something that paint would cover, but paint could hide a repair of it. My intention is to try and patch it with some epoxy because I don’t want to wait for a replacement stock.

Am I happy about this blemish? No, but I’m also not too upset about it because the stock is about 1/2 what comparable stocks are from Manners/McMillan. Many of you need to realize you can’t expect champagne on a beer budget!

I am anxious to receive my long overdue LE green stock. I’m setting my expectations at 50/50 that it has similar flaws. I really hope not because it’s not intended to be painted.

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I am not super familiar with carbon stocks similarly priced or otherwise. Just curious, is it common for other stockys stocks to have that kind of finish?

 

[nighthawkf-117]

I recently purchased an AG composites stock. I ordered it in "carbon camo ready" which is bare carbon ready for my finish. I sponge painted it and clear coated. I will say when I received it the finish was excellent. There were no flaws or even pin holes. I did pay about $900 for that stock. So definitely more expensive than a rokstock.