Rokstok Lite

[B_Reynolds_AK]

Thanks, Ben. No Arca for me so that's not a consideration. I don't remember if you shoot off trekking poles much. Any concerns with a smooth forend sliding around on the straps? It's been so long since I had a stock without a forend rail, I can't even remember what it's like. Ha!

I shoot off of trekking poles alot more now after shooting with Form. Yeah the fore end slides around a bit, but I dont think I would adulterate a wood rokstok Lite with a pic rail. I always hold the fore end anyhow, palm facing outwards, to secure the front and make elevation changes.

 

[WyldGoose]

I chose no rail on my wood lite. It’s going to live on my 16” .223 and the way I use that rifle I like it clean/slick.
I don’t use a sling much at all but I’m considering some limited rotation flush cups anyways…

 

[Antares]

Not real helpful, Ben! "Probably be a little slippy but wood too pretty for pic rail" is already where I'm at, dude!

I'm just kidding. Thanks for the input.

 

[IrkedCitizen]

If you don't use a bipod there is no reason for a front rail. If you are worried about slippage on shooting sticks, apply a little bit of skateboard deck tape

 

[nm.otter]

Too bad there's not enough meat for a Spartan Gunsmith Adapter. Would one of those work in front of the trigger guard?

 

[Nine Banger]

Thanks for jumping in, I appreciate it. I know you've done the S2H class so I'm particularly interested in your perspective. Do you mind expanding a little?

It's a light, compact system designed to be handy for hand carrying without a sling and rapidly placed into shooting positions in the field to engage targets.

I don't think you are doing this, per se but it seems as though the stock is often misunderstood; folks are asking questions such as vacillating about fore end accessories with a goal to hook it up to a tripod, bipod etc.

They are fixating on the lightweight aspect in the wrong mindset (getting something for nothing), missing the point, and setting themselves up for disappointment.

Same goes for users that intend to install long barrels and long suppressors. If you intend to use a barrel longer than 18" or so with this stock...and don't have an OTB suppressor or a 6-8oz traditional can, you've missed the point.

Have you shot a no rail version off sticks like I have pictured? Nonissue I'm assuming?

Nonissue. You don't need to make contact with the pic notches on a rail insert and yours sticks to make that position work. If anything, you're losing a little time trying to make sure its set just so in a certain way that you're used to doing when you're not shooting on limited time and under pressure.

 

[Lane Avery]

Imma just leave this here...

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[Q_Sertorius]

Y’all hunt very differently than I do. My rifle is almost always in my hands, under positive control, unless it is dark or I am dragging something. So, trekking sticks aren’t an option for me.

I may have to change that if I ever have to carry out elk quarters…

I’ll stick it over my shoulder while glassing, so I usually have a sling attached. The sling is also excellent for support offhand or seated.

I find the modified long-legged Spartan bipod (it’s a regular Spartan lite head with Springbok legs) I have in an external pouch on my pack to be the best rest I have ever used for the seated position. Particularly shooting in tall grass. For prone, the backpack and binocular harness combination preached on RokSlide is superb, but I don’t always wear a backpack, so having the short bipod option on my binocular harness is nice.

And I got flush cups on the sides (front and rear) and rear, with the Spartan picatinny rail up front to allow multiple sling positions depending on terrain, weather, etc. Since I got the flush cups, I like that I can quickly put the sling in a pouch or cargo pocket if I won’t be needing it.

The other Spartan mounts I have tried, particularly the ones that use the sling stud hole, have been a bit of trouble for me. I have used them on a couple of different rifles. They seem to work loose very easily. I think the sling is too far away from the attachment point on the stock and it puts extra leverage on it, pulling it loose. It’s actually worn an oval shape into the screw hole in the fore-end of my heavy .25-06 and I am going to have to investigate a more secure mounting system for that rifle.

If there was a low profile Spartan plus flush cup mount, without the short picatinny portion, I would probably prefer that. But I do find that picatinny portion handy if I am resting the fore-end on a fencepost, rock, or other hasty rest. It protects it from getting beat up.

 

[blacktailcentral]

Imma just leave this here...

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What about the 6” arca/pic??

 

[Lane Avery]

What about the 6” arca/pic??

More on that soon

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[8nbait]

Too bad there's not enough meat for a Spartan Gunsmith Adapter. Would one of those work in front of the trigger guard?

I asked UM about that when I changed my 1/2” pad to a 1” pad and they said-

From their email…
“Yes gunsmith adapters are able to be installed, I will get you swapped over to that 1" pad”

I assumed that would be in the standard location near the front stud, but maybe I should clarify that?

 

[Antares]

It's a light, compact system designed to be handy for hand carrying without a sling and rapidly placed into shooting positions in the field to engage targets.

I don't think you are doing this, per se but it seems as though the stock is often misunderstood; folks are asking questions such as vacillating about fore end accessories with a goal to hook it up to a tripod, bipod etc.

They are fixating on the lightweight aspect in the wrong mindset (getting something for nothing), missing the point, and setting themselves up for disappointment.

Same goes for users that intend to install long barrels and long suppressors. If you intend to use a barrel longer than 18" or so with this stock...and don't have an OTB suppressor or a 6-8oz traditional can, you've missed the point.

I don't disagree with any of that and I think I am on the same path. The rifle that's going in this stock is a 16.5" 6CM w/ an OG65 and I ordered "no rail" intentionally to embrace the simplicity of the system.

 

[Antares]

I shoot off of trekking poles alot more now after shooting with Form. Yeah the fore end slides around a bit, but I dont think I would adulterate a wood rokstok Lite with a pic rail. I always hold the fore end anyhow, palm facing outwards, to secure the front and make elevation changes.

Nonissue. You don't need to make contact with the pic notches on a rail insert and yours sticks to make that position work. If anything, you're losing a little time trying to make sure its set just so in a certain way that you're used to doing when you're not shooting on limited time and under pressure.

Are you guys looping your straps or just pinching the sticks together with your hand to make a cradle?

Are you sitting or kneeling and are you using your pack for rear support?

I'm using fixed length 115cm sticks currently, if that matter. I appreciate the help, guys. Maybe this is the year I'll get it all figured out. It's bound to happen one of these years.

 

[NSI]

Are you guys looping your straps or just pinching the sticks together with your hand to make a cradle?

Are you sitting or kneeling and are you using your pack for rear support?

I'm using fixed length 115cm sticks currently, if that matter. I appreciate the help, guys. Maybe this is the year I'll get it all figured out. It's bound to happen one of these years.

Looping, sitting, pack rear.
-J

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

Are you guys looping your straps or just pinching the sticks together with your hand to make a cradle?

Are you sitting or kneeling and are you using your pack for rear support?

I'm using fixed length 115cm sticks currently, if that matter. I appreciate the help, guys. Maybe this is the year I'll get it all figured out. It's bound to happen one of these years.

Looping always.
Sitting or kneeling.
Always Front Support - Rear Support - Straight and Inline behind the gun.
Fixed length trekking poles greatly reduce your opportunities to build shooting positions.

I'll be over in Kodiak at some point this fall. If it works out, let's go do some shooting in the mountains for an afternoon.

 

[Te Hopo]

If you don't use a bipod there is no reason for a front rail. If you are worried about slippage on shooting sticks, apply a little bit of skateboard deck tape

I like this idea, easy enough to remove and clean up any residue to go back to stock as well

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

The worry about adding something to the fore end to help grip while using crossed trekking poles is absolutely a non issue, and a hindrance at worse.

Here is @Formidilosus with a wood Rokstok Lite. He saw a rock in the stream below that was calling his name. In the time that someone would have fiddled around with getting everything ‘just right’, he was already making hits.

It just comes down to practicing with the equipment, but also knowing the right way to do so as well.

 

[passinggas33]

I asked UM about that when I changed my 1/2” pad to a 1” pad and they said-

From their email…
“Yes gunsmith adapters are able to be installed, I will get you swapped over to that 1" pad”

I assumed that would be in the standard location near the front stud, but maybe I should clarify that?

This is the first I have heard of being able to add the Spartan gunsmith adapter to the Rokstock lite. It would be fine in the wood version as they adapt the wood depth to accommodate. But I was told originally that the lite would be too thin on the forend to accommodate the adapter. So this is news to me a big deal for the way I hunt.

 

[Nine Banger]

Are you guys looping your straps or just pinching the sticks together with your hand to make a cradle?

Looping.

Are you sitting or kneeling and are you using your pack for rear support?

Kneeling. My pack is too tall to sit so I kneel. I've been told I need to try it another way and bring one knee and plan to compare groups. I'm used to that position and I have weight on my ankles.

If you're tall enough, sit.

 

[ChrisAU]

I ordered my wood Rokstok Lite with a scalloped in ARCA/Pic. Sporter contour for an old rifle that needed new life. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. With how much NRL Hunter I do I'm more comfortable clicking out two bipod legs and using my glassing tripod for a rear support fast. No one is breaking out the trekking poles for NRL here. But, I do have that option and practice it as well. I'll actually use my backpack for rear support in my lap sitting in a chair in a shooting house in the rare occasion I'm in one.