Rokstok Lite

[Escalante11]

I hear you on this. And yet this response doesn’t sound pissy but mocking:

Easier to throw Stocky’s under the bus and mock your customers than just update your website and product descriptions I guess.

 

[IrkedCitizen]

You were offered a refund or a replacement that is "lite". You refused and still bitch about it.

They got overzealous with the release of this one and rushed to get it done for a hunt expo. They didn't double or triple check that they were "lite". They are trying to rectify the situation. Everyone who was on the initial release are still within the alotted timeframe quoted when we placed our order. They could ship out all the completed rokstok lites at the same time on day 110 and allow for FedEx to deliver in 10 days. I honestly wouldn't blame them if they did that.

The regular rokstok release didn't go much smoother.... Some people ended up with a refund and a free stock to make up for the troubles they faced.

Regardless of what the website currently states. You cannot currently place an order, so it doesn't really matter what the specs say the weight is. Revisions happen with products all the time. This is apparent with the OG suppressor, they built that thing literally bulletproof, so now it went on a diet for version 2 and the OG gets a name change to the OG HD. No other companies participate to the extent that UM/US/S2H/Stockys does on this forum or any forum that I know of.

 

[Formidilosus]

Easier to throw Stocky’s under the bus and mock your customers than just update your website and product descriptions I guess.

You have no idea what you write.
What is your order number- I will get you a full refund on Monday, cancel your order and send 10% of the stock cost to you myself for your troubles.


Same to you @atmat.

 

[Escalante11]

You were offered a refund or a replacement that is "lite". You refused and still bitch about it.

Not bitchin about my stock, nor do I want a refund. It’s a great stock, it’s mine, and I’m happy with it. I like UM, heck I bought a OG 6-S today in fact and I’m beyond pumped for it.

I’m not the bad guy for simply pointing out that UM’s marketing of a 23 ounce weight is not the reality here. Just update the website, that’s all.

 

[Formidilosus]

Not bitchin about my stock, nor do I want a refund. It’s a great stock, it’s mine, and I’m happy with it. I like UM, heck I bought a OG 6-S today in fact and I’m beyond pumped for it.

I’m not the bad guy for simply pointing out that UM’s marketing of a 23 ounce weight is not the reality here. Just update the website, that’s all.

How many times do you have to be told that they ARE supposed to be 23oz? UM has not received a correctly weighted stock since the first batch- the ones that do weigh 23oz as they are shot. They have offered you a refund. They have told everyone that if their stock is overweight and they don’t want it- no questions asked refund. They have stated that if someone doesn’t want a stock unless it is 23oz, they will wait and get them one at that weight. They are actively trying to get the stocks to be delivered at the stated weight, and customers are saying “don’t care, send it”. What more do you want from them given the situation?

Hundreds of people have called, and emailed saying they don’t care if the stocks are heavy- they want them. I wish guys would send the heavy ones back so I can get the stocks I need.

At this point you are just posting to start nonsense.

 

[JoeK]

who's spun up now?

 

[JoeK]

I didn't take any offense at Ryan's humor. and He addressed the concern well in his post to say that they will clarify weights before opening new orders again. I 'm sure it's a big pain in their ass, but it's their business so they own the issue and have to deal with their customers. Which I think they're doing a solid job of handling. and I love the Rokstok and my OG65 and I am stoked to get my hands on my OG6 too...

 

[Axlrod]

I hear you on this. And yet this response doesn’t sound pissy but mocking:

I found it quite humorous, so laugh a little, you will live longer if you do. To paraphrase something I say in my business a lot: " It's just a fu*k!ng gunstock, we're not saving lives here!"

 

[atmat]

I found it quite humorous, so laugh a little, you will live longer if you do. To paraphrase something I say in my business a lot: " It's just a fu*k!ng gunstock, we're not saving lives here!"

I thought I edited that comment but must have forgot to save. My edit was going to say I get that it’s humor but that it’s poorly-timed and targeted at the customer when it should be targeted at their manufacturer (or themselves).

I was trying be cheeky to show the discrepancy between them allegedly being pissed at the issues while then joking about the customer.

I’m not concerned on the weight. It’ll get sorted out.

 

[Escalante11]

How many times do you have to be told that they ARE supposed to be 23oz? UM has not received a correctly weighted stock since the first batch- the ones that do weigh 23oz as they are shot. They have offered you a refund. They have told everyone that if their stock is overweight and they don’t want it- no questions asked refund. They have stated that if someone doesn’t want a stock unless it is 23oz, they will wait and get them one at that weight. They are actively trying to get the stocks to be delivered at the stated weight, and customers are saying “don’t care, send it”. What more do you want from them given the situation?

Hundreds of people have called, and emailed saying they don’t care if the stocks are heavy- they want them. I wish guys would send the heavy ones back so I can get the stocks I need.

At this point you are just posting to start nonsense.

People don’t care about the weight, you’re right there. And you’re making my whole point here Form. If you haven’t received a single “correctly weighed” stock since your initial test batch as you just said, then it sure seams like it’s a bit of an unrealistic spec to market..

Seems like the easy button here is just to just update your product specs in marketing to “about 25 ounces”and be done with this all.

I am rooting for y’all to deliver 23 ounces on the upcoming deliveries, I really am, and I’ll tip my cap to you if so Form, just seems like there is a much easier way to go about this. Under promising and over delivering is always the better route than over promising and under delivering.

 

[HighUintas]

@Formidilosus, I'm curious.... do you know what causes the increased weight? If they come out of molds, I would think that the final dimensions should all be the same, unless they come out of the mold "fat" and are then supposed to be trimmed down in production. Or, are the outer dimensions functionally identical from a weight standpoint out of the mold and the variance is actually density?

 

[rbutcher1234]

Yet again, don’t let a very vocal minority ruin people from trying to bring revolutionary products to market.

 

[mattminative]

@Formidilosus, I'm curious.... do you know what causes the increased weight? If they come out of molds, I would think that the final dimensions should all be the same, unless they come out of the mold "fat" and are then supposed to be trimmed down in production. Or, are the outer dimensions functionally identical from a weight standpoint out of the mold and the variance is actually density?

The carbon is hand laid I believe. Just having different people work on the stocks as they go into the molds will affect the weight.


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[nm.otter]

are the outer dimensions functionally identical from a weight standpoint out of the mold and the variance is actually density?

Laying up fiber in a mold with complex contours is an art. This is a new design for Stocky's. Then there's the resin fill, which has its own potential variances.

 

[9487329]

Oh no, my rifle shoots 3 ounces better

 

[Ferrulewax]

Oh no, my rifle shoots 3 ounces better

But it carries 3oz worse.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus, I'm curious.... do you know what causes the increased weight? If they come out of molds, I would think that the final dimensions should all be the same, unless they come out of the mold "fat" and are then supposed to be trimmed down in production. Or, are the outer dimensions functionally identical from a weight standpoint out of the mold and the variance is actually density?

The amount of epoxy that is applied is the primary driver.

 

[rbutcher1234]

But it carries 3oz worse.

So pack liners and one less spare pair of socks? Weight helps you shoot better and this is 3oz. It didn’t go from “damn this is the perfect weight” to “this is unable to be carried and beyond my physical ability” in 3oz.

If 3oz of weight is what breaks your ability to carry your gear successfully on a hunt, whether it’s just a rifle, binos, and a knife, or a full multi day pack setup, I would argue that you have a mindset problem first, a training problem second, and a prioritization problem third.

You can stand on the “I wanted something different and the inconsistency isn’t what I wanted” but please don’t try to die on the hill that those 3oz made a realistic and measurably detrimental change in the way that rifle carried on your hunt. We are talking about the light version of a stock that is already lighter than the factory plastic stock.

If that was a tongue in cheek comment, then please disregard. I just see a lot of mountains out of molehills posts on this site a lot, particularly in UM gear threads, and it is causing most of those posters to miss the forest for the sake of one tiny shrub that didn’t matter.

 

[Valumpessa]

Seems like the easy button here is just to just update your product specs in marketing to “about 25 ounces”and be done with this all.

They are not actively taking orders on the lite, nor have they completed a single order from the initial round. Yours was a pre-release floor model you were able to see and feel before buying. That doesn't count. Easy button for now would be to leave as is and move on with life.

 

[BAKPAKR]

So pack liners and one less spare pair of socks? Weight helps you shoot better and this is 3oz. It didn’t go from “damn this is the perfect weight” to “this is unable to be carried and beyond my physical ability” in 3oz.

If 3oz of weight is what breaks your ability to carry your gear successfully on a hunt, whether it’s just a rifle, binos, and a knife, or a full multi day pack setup, I would argue that you have a mindset problem first, a training problem second, and a prioritization problem third.

I get a kick out of myopic responses like this whenever someone who is hoping for a lightweight rifle complains about the weight of a stock, barrel, scope, action, etc. coming in higher than advertised.