Rokstok Lite

[treillw]

Thoughts on the McMillan Mountain Tracker Long Range stock compared to the RS lite?

 

[treillw]

Would I need an adjustable cheek piece for a nx8 4-32x50, or would the rokstok light work?

 

[Ferrulewax]

I am not saying that smaller stature people cannot make do with a longer LOP. I am 5'8" and usually can shoot factory stocks just fine.

• Except for the need for a glue on cheek riser, the plain Jane Tikka Lite stock fits me perfectly.
• My Browning X Bolt's stock has a LOP about 1/2" longer than I really like.

With plastic spacers making it easy to give everyone a custom LOP, it is smarter to start with a base on short end of LOP rather than go with a longer version.

Why make someone shoot a stock that is too long for them or make them go through the cost of having the stock shortened (most people won't try it DIY imo) when everyone can get a LOP they like with spacers?

I would agree with this if they weren't already making a youth rokstock light. Just call the youth models the "Short" at like 12" and add spacers up to 13.5" and then make a "long" at 14+". It just doesn't make a lot of sense to have two models that are both too short for the average hunter (likely around 5'10"). But, I am just thankful to form, ryan, and UM for making this happen at all.

 

[Timjohnson11]

Thoughts on the McMillan Mountain Tracker Long Range stock compared to the RS lite?

I believe @khuber84 is one of the handful that owns both the MTLR and original RS.. Perhaps he can provide some thoughts/speculation on the MTRS and RS Lite comparison based on his experience with the original RS and planned changes for the RS Lite?

 

[S.Clancy]

People are still buying those...

Yes

 

[khuber84]

I believe @khuber84 is one of the handful that owns both the MTLR and original RS.. Perhaps he can provide some thoughts/speculation on the MTRS and RS Lite comparison based on his experience with the original RS and planned changes for the RS Lite?

I don't have a rokstok lite to compare any my rokstoks or Mtn tracker lr to. I'm not a fan of short forends, no non flush arca. So the rokstok loses points in some places but has really good handling characteristics, gets a few back. If I was going with a 16in barrel and OTB can, I could see the merit of the short forend. However since the airlock does all that the OTB and reaper do in a can with less form factor and lighter, I see no point in OTB cans.

 

[HighUintas]

I don't have a rokstok lite to compare any my rokstoks or Mtn tracker lr to. I'm not a fan of short forends, no non flush arca. So the rokstok loses points in some places but has really good handling characteristics, gets a few back. If I was going with a 16in barrel and OTB can, I could see the merit of the short forend. However since the airlock does all that the OTB and reaper do in a can with less form factor and lighter, I see no point in OTB cans.

Maybe just tone. But I'd like to hear some reports from someone comparing the airlocks to the OG otb cans. Perhaps similar tone can be had by the inner geometry.

 

[khuber84]

Maybe just tone. But I'd like to hear some reports from someone comparing the airlocks to the OG otb cans. Perhaps similar tone can be had by the inner geometry.

I'm in the camp that this "Tone" is just a human preference or flavor. Does it do anything downrange, does a game animal thats 400y downrange have any perception of this "tone" affect? I don't think it makes a measurable difference.

I know I was standing 100y laterally to 5 different cans that were all quality hunting supressors from 5" to 7" and lightweight. I couldn't really tell the difference in any but the ultra5, it was a definite standout as the loudest.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

This is, I think, the 4th rubber pad to come unglued. I know I’m not the only user with this continued issue.

Is @Stockys planning on doing anything about this or just continue as is?

It’s an easy fix for the end user, but still annoying, and would be nice to see it corrected at the production level.

 

[HighUintas]

I'm in the camp that this "Tone" is just a human preference or flavor. Does it do anything downrange, does a game animal thats 400y downrange have any perception of this "tone" affect? I don't think it makes a measurable difference.

I know I was standing 100y laterally to 5 different cans that were all quality hunting supressors from 5" to 7" and lightweight. I couldn't really tell the difference in any but the ultra5, it was a definite standout as the loudest.

It may not make any difference. I certainly don't have the experience to say. It could be human preference. I'm only concerned with it being light, short, and quiet enough to not cause damage with an unprotected shot every once in awhile

 

[khuber84]

It may not make any difference. I certainly don't have the experience to say. It could be human preference. I'm only concerned with it being light, short, and quiet enough to not cause damage with an unprotected shot every once in awhile

Agreed: light, hearing safe, minimal form factor. My supressor priorities for hunting.

 

[Howler65]

I believe @khuber84 is one of the handful that owns both the MTLR and original RS.. Perhaps he can provide some thoughts/speculation on the MTRS and RS Lite comparison based on his experience with the original RS and planned changes for the RS Lite?

I have a MTLR and just ordered a Rokstock…I plan on posting photos comparing the two when I receive the RS…really haven’t seen any close ups comparing the two(one on top of the other)…

 

[Formidilosus]

I have a MTLR and just ordered a Rokstock…I plan on posting photos comparing the two when I receive the RS…really haven’t seen any close ups comparing the two(one on top of the other)…

18” 308 win, T3 lite suppressed. Aimpoint is center of the head for all shots, and the pictures are the max reticle movement during recoil for 2x shots each. Mountain Tracker Long range, Rokstok, KRG Echo in order.


Mountain Tracker long Range. Every effort made to control muzzle rise as much as possible-






ROKStok nearly free recoil. No effort made at all to fight muzzle rise beyond light contact with shoulder-



ROKStok, but with my standard hold- firm and solid, no other effort made-




KRG Echo- Every effort made to control muzzle rise as much as possible-

 

[Strider]

@Formidilosus
So just the few degrees off parallel that the LRMT has on the toe line and fore end create that vertical muzzle rise? Or is there things in the grip and above bore recoil pad going on there?

 

[WstrnCP]

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18” 308 win, T3 lite suppressed. Aimpoint is center of the head for all shots, and the pictures are the max reticle movement during recoil for 2x shots each. Mountain Tracker Long range, Rokstok, KRG Echo in order.


Mountain Tracker long Range. Every effort made to control muzzle rise as much as possible-
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ROKStok nearly free recoil. No effort made at all to fight muzzle rise beyond light contact with shoulder-
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ROKStok, but with my standard hold- firm and solid, no other effort made-
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KRG Echo- Every effort made to control muzzle rise as much as possible-
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These are a great visual, thanks. Any chance of a similar comparison with the Rokstok lite thrown in?

 

[Stockys]

This is, I think, the 4th rubber pad to come unglued. I know I’m not the only user with this continued issue.

Is @Stockys planning on doing anything about this or just continue as is?

It’s an easy fix for the end user, but still annoying, and would be nice to see it corrected at the production level.

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Thanks for letting us know. This is not a stocky's production issue it is a Limbsaver issue which I will address with them.


ETA I reached out to the VP of Limbsaver and this is the response.
Nothing has changed on our end, but based on what you are experiencing, I assume we may have a QC issue with our gluing steps. I know we have experienced some staff changes in production, and new staff have been in training for the past year, so I will meet with our production manager and get back to you as quickly as possible.



However, we do not expect you or your customers to have to reglue the pads; we will replace any pad free of charge. If you prefer, we can ship you extra pads so you can process some warranties. You can also advise your customers to contact us directly, and we will ship them a new pad. Please have your customer contact me directly so I can monitor the process, but make sure they mention that it is related to Stockys stocks. [email protected] – 360-427-6031



I do assume it’s a QCc gluing issue on our end, and it will be addressed, so you do not have to worry going forward.

@mxgsfmdpx

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus
So just the few degrees off parallel that the LRMT has on the toe line and fore end create that vertical muzzle rise? Or is there things in the grip and above bore recoil pad going on there?

Recoil pad height above bore, the angled toe and forend, fat grip, and fat/thick butt where your cheek lays are the main differences.

 

[WhoGarrDen]

Recoil pad height above bore, the angled toe and forend, fat grip, and fat/thick butt where your cheek lays are the main differences.

I've got Neanderthal genes and my eyes are pinched into the middle of my face. Can't get a good sight picture using things like the Victor cheek riser without rolling my face over the top of the stock.

First time I held a Rokstok up I thought the narrow cheek rest was going to be a problem. Then I put the rifle in and mounted a scope and it was a breath of fresh air.

Currently trying to get a cheap fix on another tikka stock until I can get a second Rokstok in.

 

[Pwb199]

I apologize if this has already been asked - but if weight is not a concern of mine, are there advantages of going with a regular Rokstok instead of a Rokstok lite?

 

[Jon Boy]

I apologize if this has already been asked - but if weight is not a concern of mine, are there advantages of going with a regular Rokstok instead of a Rokstok lite?

I couldn’t tell you the specifics, but for starters, just the added weight of the Rokstock will make it more shootable.

My 20 in superlite with a bare muzzle and reg Rokstock feels just about right as a shootable mid range gun. I will be chopping it to 16 and adding a suppressor so the weight should be close to the same. I’ll also be ordering a Rokstock lite to try, but I’m very aware that it might just end up too light for field positions in hunting conditions. I think people are going to be surprised by this. I’m hopeful it will shoot 90% as well and I can cut another 8 oz out of my pack but I’m fully prepared to put it on the classifieds or a youth gun if it doesn’t.