Rifles - Cartridges - Opinions

[GKPrice]

I am probably more guilty as any of getting "into" a discussion thread and finding myself getting emotional or even irritated about another Rokslider's opinion, then more often than not I'll think about it for a bit and then post a comment trying to fall back into "the herds" flow - I found ROKSLIDE and almost immediately also found myself talking on the phone to Justin, explaining myself and my motives because I had offended another Rokslider with a comment - As with most, I find myself growing as I get older, with that I (hope) I'm doing that in the right direction - I'm puckering as I write this, why can't we at least when it's a "junior member" who started the thread, recognize this and try to answer questions in the spirit of what was asked in the first place ? I may be the biggest offender to the answer to this but I'm willing to listen to criticisms and attempt to mend my ways (well, maybe SOME of my ways) as a gesture to the greater good

 

[elkguide]

You GK.... with an opinion?????????

Say it ain't so!!!!

 

[elkguide]

It's tough not to try and shed some light on a subject or question especially when we begin to "mature" a little bit and have had experience with certain cartridges and/or their effect on a certain species of animal. As long as we can refrain from name calling and belittling one another, I think that the Rokslide will remain the best place to hang out and learn some great things and sometimes add some of our experiences to the flow.

 

[GKPrice]

It's tough not to try and shed some light on a subject or question especially when we begin to "mature" a little bit and have had experience with certain cartridges and/or their effect on a certain species of animal. As long as we can refrain from name calling and belittling one another, I think that the Rokslide will remain the best place to hang out and learn some great things and sometimes add some of our experiences to the flow.

I'd have to wholeheartedly agree with you -

 

[Tex68w]

It'd be nice to continue to see this forum be as inviting as it currently is. I am a member on many other gun related forums and almost all of them have an overwhelming element of machismo and prickishness which is unfortunately almost unavoidable after you grow to a certain size and popularity. I think this boards etiquette is far above the standard but it never hurts to aspire to be better.

 

[realunlucky]

I think when only a few voices dominate the discussion of any thread that thread loses traction and people with other just as equal opinions don't share and everyone loses out. Maybe I'm that guy too but I hope not. I'm always learning something or seeing the next best thing from other members here. Worst thing that could happen is someone having something to add but just keeping it to themselves to avoid drama with a few. Just my opinion of course

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[WRO]

I love the dick measuring involved with the what cartridge is the best conversation..

I've killed 40+ big game animals with a 30-06.

a few with an 8mm mouser

8 or 9 with a 243

3 with a 300 rum

Doesn't matter. The rifle, optics, and shooter all matter way more than the caliber. I'm pretty sure if you chambered my LR set up in an 06, I could be more effective at 1k than the average joe is 300 with their xyz rifle.

 

[luke moffat]

I love the dick measuring involved with the what cartridge is the best conversation....

I'm pretty sure if you chambered my LR set up in an 06, I could be more effective at 1k than the average joe is 300 with their xyz rifle.

Is this in jest or just maximum irony....funny either way

 

[WRO]

Is this in jest or just maximum irony....funny either way

I realized that after I posted it..

Point is, it's the Indian not arrow.

Hell you kill plenty of critters using rounds with the bc of a grape.

 

[luke moffat]

Haha loading some up tomorrow that go .335 (that's G1 not G7) so not far off

And pushing them out of a 16" barrel that might get it to 2900 fps at that....not much to write home about past 400 yards at best haha

 

[WRO]

Haha loading some up tomorrow that go .335 (that's G1 not G7) so not far off

The g7 on 230s is higher than that lol.

Needless to say, the animal shot with either won't notice the difference.

 

[FURMAN]

I love a good which caliber is better discussion but some people just take it to personally. In the end I think we all get too caught up in it, myself included. We forget the reason we even have the tools. I have been very guilty of this. I am trying to spend more of my energy on hunting and how I can get better at it and worry less about which tool I am using.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Seems to me if one caliber was an absolute death ray for big furry critters it would be ubiquitous by now.

I am reading a book about a pioneer in Pennsylvania in the lat 1700s who was dropping elk by the bushel with a muzzle loader. I am sure they sat around the fire saying things like "flint locks are for wusses" and "if it ain't .58 caliber it ain't nothin."

It really comes down to perspective, preference and an excuse to buy more / new guns.

 

[mtswampfox]

one of my favorite games to play on forums is counting the number of "I's" in a post.It is usually an indication , to me, the more in a post the more someone is in love with themselves and enjoys thinking other people must think how smart they are. Just an observation......

 

[Jimbob]

I think we learn by discussion and by others challenging our opinions. When we take things personal and start attacking each other because of different opinions then things go down hill fast.

I believe every mans first rifle should be a 30-06 or .308 in a bolt action but some people disagree with that. I whole heartedly think they are wrong but I don't take offence to someone not agreeing with me. Also the gun should probably be a tikka if you care about price, lightweight and function, LOL that's how I feel.

My good buddy bought his first rifle a few years back and chose an x-bolt in 30-06. He did pretty good following my advice but paid $300 extra over the tikka price for his browning, what a dumb move LOL. We are still friends though and I did't belittle him for it.

Also one of my students and friends bought his first rifle last year and he purchased a Browning lever action 300 wm with open sights for moose hunting. He is 130 lbs soaking wet. What the heck was he thinking? That type of gun had sentimental value to him as the old lever actions are what his Dad used growing up. Again I didn't put him down for making what I would call a bad choice. We are still friends and his gun is cool.

No reason to put a guy down and tell him he is an idiot for making a different choice than you would. Even if said guy is wrong with his choice ha ha.

 

[5MilesBack]

Point is, it's the Indian not arrow.

Unless it's not.

Since you brought up arrow, I'll go that route because it applies to both archery and rifles. I have gone to extensive lengths to make sure my setup is absolutely as fool proof and effective as it possibly can be. That way when the time comes, it's all on me and I certainly can't blame my equipment at that point.

I remember a statement that David Petzal made years ago. It was basically to the effect of "Elk have every advantage in the book in their environment, why on earth would anyone want to give them another one by using a non-optimal rifle caliber and cartridge"?

 

[WRO]

Unless it's not.

Since you brought up arrow, I'll go that route because it applies to both archery and rifles. I have gone to extensive lengths to make sure my setup is absolutely as fool proof and effective as it possibly can be. That way when the time comes, it's all on me and I certainly can't blame my equipment at that point.

I remember a statement that David Petzal made years ago. It was basically to the effect of "Elk have every advantage in the book in their environment, why on earth would anyone want to give them another one by using a non-optimal rifle caliber and cartridge"?

I've seen elk killed with everything from a 22-250 to 375 h&h. I'd never recommend the 22-250, and I'd be hesitant to recommend the 243 and 25-06, although the elk I've seen shot with both those calibers died relatively quickly.

That being said almost any caliber from 6.5 up will do the job on an elk as long as the bullet is placed right.

 

[5MilesBack]

True. But I believe in setting myself up for the best chance for success, and least chance for failure from my equipment in any and all shooting situations and shot angles, etc. If someone else just wants to have an adequate setup for optimal conditions, that's fine too.

It doesn't matter what we're using. Eventually we'll run into a situation where it just didn't work out the way we had hoped it would.

 

[GKPrice]

True. But I believe in setting myself up for the best chance for success, and least chance for failure from my equipment in any and all shooting situations and shot angles, etc. If someone else just wants to have an adequate setup for optimal conditions, that's fine too.

It doesn't matter what we're using. Eventually we'll run into a situation where it just didn't work out the way we had hoped it would.

I got your point, not sure others did - WHATEVER a hunter choses to shoot ANYTHING with that gun/ammo/optic/mount/all else SHOULD be vetted to the point that if ya miss it was THE SHOOTER and not the gun for sure - I'm exactly the same

 

[16Bore]

Because we're dudes. Dudes always give shit to other dudes, especially young dudes.

Who really gives a crap what another guy buys. Most of the question threads are guys with their minds made up looking for another pile of guys that made the same decision to tell them it's ok.