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Acknowledging this is a "late reply" I think it was the founder of Gunwerks (sp) who was recently on a podcast or video with the S2H guys as well as on one with Cliff Grey. Hopefully I'm getting the individuals / firms correct, but I guess I could be wrong on that.Another thing I would love to see, would be an official manufacturer response to one of these tests? I’d kind of like to see see their explanation. That ever happened?
I don't know much about the Gunwerks (sp) gentleman since I don't follow his company, but he seems to have a defensible point of view and is also an engineer.
IMO, his message was that dropping scoped bolt action rifles in a way that is not scientifically repeatable doesn't prove that a scope is poorly made and will not hold zero as well as another scope that "passed" the test.
My take aways are summarized below, not all of which were his literal talking points (I could be naming the wrong podcast etc., but I believe the points made are accurately summarized below).
Also, to be clear, I really like and respect what the S2H folks have been doing and are doing to improve shooting systems, test the systems, help improve hunters and riflemen's performance etc.
First, the drop tests conducted by S2H test a "shooting system as a whole" not just the scope.
Second, these are not a rigorous or scientifically repeatable test. Sure, they can show a failure, but they do not prove that a shooting system that doesn't fail from the drops has a scope that is better than the scope on a shooting system that failed the test. More importantly the drops do not show which element in the shooting system caused POI to shift. More on that below.
Third, the issue causing point of impact change may be the attachment system or the bedding job or something else with the "shooting system" not necessarily the scope's internals. Specifically, he commented that pic rail mounted scopes will sometimes fail drop tests because the pic rail mount is insecure ("insecure" was my interpretation, not his word choice), allowing movement because the fit between the scope bases and the pic rail has some slop in it- my word choice again (I'm guessing he prefers to have his scope mounts screwed, pinned and bedded directly to the action without a pic rail in the way).
Fourth, he says that in his experience, selling MANY shooting systems with Leupold and Nightforce scopes, the rate of issues are about equal between the two scope brands. He essentially projected that based on his significantly broad experience, the two scope brands are equally good (he did NOT get into details or discuss which line of each brand).
In other words, he politely pointed out that the S2H testing methodology is inconclusive for determining if the scope is at fault when an impact shift occurs. He also invited the S2H guys (I'm pretty sure it was a S2H podcast...but I guess i could be wrong) to his facility to conduct their tests in a more scientifically appropriate manner.....