Rifle scopes you'd love to see Form test

[gtriple]

308 win. A .22 could be used for some things, however wind drift is a problem and recoil can and will show issues that do not show up in .22’s.





I don’t know that “expanding the audience” is a goal that Ryan or I have. And I am not trying to make money in any way. I have spent over $3,000 personally on just the ones that have been evaluated and that doesn’t include the cost of my scopes that were used. We’re doing this because it needs to be done, not because we want to.

You not trying to make money doesn't mean this shouldn't be on YouTube. YouTube could simply be another source of funding to purchase more ammo/scopes.

Plus, if you think this is information that is actually beneficial to the industry, there is no better way to disseminate that information than through YouTube.

 

[ramsdude47]

This should definitely be sponsored / getting advertising dollars in some way shape or form.

Pretty awesome work you guys are doing.

 

[eoperator]

All I want for xmas is a March 3-24 drop test

 

[gclubb02]

But everyone shoots 1/2moa.

I ran through three scopes following Form's process but nobody has taken me up on the offer to test theirs. My problem is I don't have anything to test that I haven't already.

Any experience with meoptas optika 5 lineup?? Good, bad, ugly?

 

[sndmn11]

Any experience with meoptas optika 5 lineup?? Good, bad, ugly?

No

 

[Clark33]

ZCO
Kahles

 

[Clark33]

Dang this guy took it to another level. Also didn’t know ZCO co-owner was one of the top guys at NF for a while. Learn something new every day.

 

[JFK]

NF SHV 3-10 would be good to test.

 

[Formidilosus]

Dang this guy took it to another level. Also didn’t know ZCO co-owner was one of the top guys at NF for a while. Learn something new every day.View attachment 486209

Yeah….


The co-owner was also responsible for the Kahles scopes for a while, and they are and were anything but durable.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Yeah….


The co-owner was also responsible for the Kahles scopes for a while, and they are and were anything but durable.

Have you been able to test a ZCO? I've got one and it's been trouble free through typical use so far.

 

[Formidilosus]

Have you been able to test a ZCO? I've got one and it's been trouble free through typical use so far.

I have not put any through the eval. I would fully expect them to function correctly for the most part. The 6 foot drops is what I’m not convinced of; as well the overall durability is still in question. I’ve seen a bunch of ZCO’s being shot, and still haven’t seen what that actually shows real use.

 

[Clark33]

Yeah….


The co-owner was also responsible for the Kahles scopes for a while, and they are and were anything but durable.

Maybe thats why he left for ZCO? Are you suggesting because of the association with Kahles that ZCO won't be durable? Or do you just not like this guy?

 

[Clark33]

It's all public record, Jeff of ZCO worked for NF, the relationship soured, courts found NF breached his contract and he was wrongfully terminated. He received a settlement from NF. So if you do have a relationship with NF I could see how this guy might not be your favorite.

 

[Formidilosus]

Maybe thats why he left for ZCO? Are you suggesting because of the association with Kahles that ZCO won't be durable? Or do you just not like this guy?

Neither- I’m not sure where that thought would come from.

I’m pointing out, that working at NF does not mean someone takes what makes NF as durable overall as they are, and applies it to another scope. The big difference between NF and everyone else is that before your scope gets boxed up, it’s checked for correct function, smacked on a table on all axis and checked in a collimator to ensure POA retention.

 

[Formidilosus]

So if you do have a relationship with NF I could see how this guy might not be your favorite.

Where are you getting any of this? I have stated multiple times I have no relationship with any optics company. NF doesn’t make a scope for general hunting in mils that bests a no name $300 scope.

 

[Clark33]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1146689655720223

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1120043588332900

He actually filmed it

 

[Formidilosus]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1146689655720223

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1120043588332900

He actually filmed it

6ft drops on soft snow, yes. But he had a shift on the first shot. It is possible that it’s from snow, but I’ve done it a bunch, and snow in the barrel doesn’t do that. What does do that is erector shift and binding, then it pops back with recoil. There are multiple examples in the scope evals.

So if you do have a relationship with NF I could see how this guy might not be your favorite.

You said the above and implied I have a relationship with NF, why? Why not just straight ask? Or you could ask @Ryan Avery if I do.

 

[Clark33]

It's somewhat packed down where he's dropping it from the tire tracks, I dunno I think it did pretty good for that many drops at that height with that weight of rifle.

The NF thing, I thought I read somewhere you used to get scopes from NF or something, hence maybe you had a relationship with them, I'm probably wrong, usually am.

I see this as another guy on the internet drop testing scopes, just like you. It happens to be a very expensive scope so there aren't many examples out there of them being beaten up. Thought it was interesting, thought it did good, and thought I would share it. If you think they're not up to snuff would love to see another data point, until then this is what we have.

 

[Formidilosus]

It's somewhat packed down where he's dropping it from the tire tracks, I dunno I think it did pretty good for that many drops at that height with that weight of rifle.

Oh there’s no doubt that lots (most?) scopes would physically break as he said from those drops. I just pictured (assumed like an ass) that it was on regular ground- and very few scope won’t physically break from that.

The NF thing, I thought I read somewhere you used to get scopes from NF or something, hence maybe you had a relationship with them, I'm probably wrong, usually am.

No, I do not get scopes from NF. People have tried to say or imply that to make it seem I am biased I have worked at places that have NF (as well as most others).

I’ll say it again, NF does not make a general purpose hunting scope I would use or suggest beyon a duplex reticle “normal” scope. The larger and more complicated a scope gets, the less reliable it gets all things equal- including Nightforces. When taken to the absolute limits 7-35 ATACR’s will show more issues than 3.5-15x NXS’s- that’s just the nature of the best.

I see this as another guy on the internet drop testing scopes, just like you. It happens to be a very expensive scope so there aren't many examples out there of them being beaten up. Thought it was interesting, thought it did good, and thought I would share it. If you think they're not up to snuff would love to see another data point.

I agree, it’s cool he did drop it at all- more people need to. The goal of the evals was never to say “form said so”, it was to get people to see or question whether they have been fed a line of BS and to start trying it themselves.

As for ZCO, I have no thoughts really. I have shot with some and have seen quite a few shot, but have never seen any truly used hard. That’s my thing- I’m not saying they don’t work, I’m saying we don’t know. PRS shooters baby their rifles more than any group I have ever seen other than collectors, and that’s where almost all the information comes from. Also, you can’t assume that because someone with good credentials or history with one company, automatically transfers that to another. I wouldn’t be surprised to see that the ZCO’s hold zero through impacts. I also would be equally unsurprised to find out that they don’t hold zero with impacts.

 

[Ryan Avery]

We would love to test every scope, but they are expensive to get and expensive to test(bullets), So unless someone sends us a ZCO, I doubt it's in the cards anytime soon. Too many other scopes that I want to be tested first.

Form, Rokslide, and I have no relationship with NightForce. I wish I did I have bought a lot of them.