Reintroduce Grizzlies into CA

[Hoghead]

Good argument. Yes you could be right. But how would griz impact the cougar population which is one of the major causes of our deer herd suffering? That and people expanding into prime deer habitat, especialy winter ranges. Not to mention the roadkill…. There are so many blacktail along the coast, I dont see that as an issue there. But inland in the sierras, yes, it could hurt.

I don't know how it would impact the cougars. But I am pretty sure more predators would be bad for our deer population. We need to push for a reopened cougar season (probably never happen) and shoot all thos extra large coyoties . That would help our deer population more than anything it think. Then habitat improvement would help too. I think with the number of bears we currently have we need a spring season also. Even if the yearly quota stayed the same. I don't think we have even come close to the quota since they outlawed the dogs.

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[ChrisAU]

Where do I send some money

 

[zion zig zag]

I'd like grizz and Canadian timber wolves on Coronado Island as a test case.

 

[amassi]

Californians pushed the Wolf ballot in CO, I'm happy to support the Griz in CA.

How?

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[amassi]

Good argument. Yes you could be right. But how would griz impact the cougar population which is one of the major causes of our deer herd suffering? That and people expanding into prime deer habitat, especialy winter ranges. Not to mention the roadkill…. There are so many blacktail along the coast, I dont see that as an issue there. But inland in the sierras, yes, it could hurt.

Pretty sure where they overlap cougars have to kill more ungulates since they lose kills to grizzly?

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[amassi]

I'd like grizz and Canadian timber wolves on Coronado Island as a test case.

To eat the "seals"?

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[Moserkr]

@Hoghead I agree, wouldnt really help deer with a griz reintroduction. But would they ultimately survive? Yes. If they can survive the cougar and human apocalypse, then a few griz cant hurt. Id wager the griz would kill enough black bears to even out the playing field and keep the net deer impact closer to zero.

@ChrisAU Im debating whether or not to actually kickstart it. Only takes a website and a 501c3 designation to start the fundraising. So far there is overwhelming support here, and from what Ive read, its the same on the anti-hunter side as well. Small world when we are not far apart….

Would we rather have this fundraising be controlled by hunters or anti-hunters? Waiting could miss the mark and we are behind the curve in many fights against anti-hunters.

@amassi Same way you would reintroduce griz to CA. Have them fundraise a ballot initiative. See my thoughts above regarding overlapping cougar kills vs them taking away and killing black bears potentially, which are overpopulated.

 

[fatlander]

Oh bless your heart. California is the land from which the sophisticated folk who frequent parties on Martha’s Vineyard hail. Why on earth would we release and not regulate the population of an apex predator on such upstanding members of society? Save that mess for the deplorable type that live in the inter mountain west.


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[amassi]

Sure would make camping on the coast more interesting. Be fun to camp at Dillon Beach and watch grizz patrol pt Reyes

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[JakeSCH]

Lol I live here and would love this. The problem is that they would probably do it in the Sierra's instead of near los angeles...I would love to have them back in big bear.

 

[Moserkr]

@amassi I was camping out that way not long ago. Ive also hiked a crowded lost coast trail and it would be where griz would thrive.

@JakeSCH Eventually the sierras, but the coast is the prime habitat. Its an easy argument to start there.

 

[qwerksc]

Bears would be pierced, gay with pink and blue fur on heroin in the matter of months. San Francisco will crush the soul of the most fierce animal.

 

[JakeSCH]

Bears would be pierced, gay with pink and blue fur on heroin in the matter of months. San Francisco will crush the soul of the most fierce animal.

idk, I don't think California does that to people. I just think the people who want to do that move here.

 

[amassi]

Gonna need about 10k more tule elk to offset and provide mitigation

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[Moserkr]

Gonna need about 10k more tule elk to offset and provide mitigation

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Theres a huge rossie elk population thats off limits to hunting in orick. If anything it would push elk to expand their range outside their current comfort zone. The wolves are bound to make a bigger impact than a few griz ever would.

 

[Hoghead]

@Hoghead I agree, wouldnt really help deer with a griz reintroduction. But would they ultimately survive? Yes. If they can survive the cougar and human apocalypse, then a few griz cant hurt. Id wager the griz would kill enough black bears to even out the playing field and keep the net deer impact closer to zero.

@ChrisAU Im debating whether or not to actually kickstart it. Only takes a website and a 501c3 designation to start the fundraising. So far there is overwhelming support here, and from what Ive read, its the same on the anti-hunter side as well. Small world when we are not far apart….

Would we rather have this fundraising be controlled by hunters or anti-hunters? Waiting could miss the mark and we are behind the curve in many fights against anti-hunters.

@amassi Same way you would reintroduce griz to CA. Have them fundraise a ballot initiative. See my thoughts above regarding overlapping cougar kills vs them taking away and killing black bears potentially, which are overpopulated.

I think for a while the deer would be ok and they would probably kill black bears too. My problem is in 10- 20 years down the road when the grizzlies population is to big and they won't let us hunt them and their numbers aren't controlled what happens?


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[kentuckybowman]

I am for it as long as they are evenly dispersed.

 

[qwerksc]

idk, I don't think California does that to people. I just think the people who want to do that move here.

I’m born and raised in california, love this place, but California does attract the fringe element, that and our politicians give Ca a bad rep.
I say release the grizzly, it is not gonna be the same bear, hell, I bet the grizzly won’t even like it here, then they move to Idaho on their own.

 

[Moserkr]

I think for a while the deer would be ok and they would probably kill black bears too. My problem is in 10- 20 years down the road when the grizzlies population is to big and they won't let us hunt them and their numbers aren't controlled what happens?


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Well like everything the government controls, its chaos and an unplanned experiment. We know what we would do. Maybe it takes a catastrophe to make people see the truth? I dont think we give deer enough credit for how well they can survive. Blacktails will be fine. The mule deer and bench legs wont have near the griz population to deal with that the coast could. It would be interesting to watch it develop. Big griz would alter the habitat quite a bit. Who knows what impact it would have, but they coexisted before, and thats what Cali is all about lol.

 

[Vandy321]

How?

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