recurve vs super recurve... draw effort

[roosiebull]

for those who have shot super recurves, have you noticed any difference in effort to draw between them with similar draw weights?

I realize the draw cycle is different, but curious about actual drawing effort. i'm ordering a set of morrison Max6 limbs (medium) for my Das Tribute riser, but not sure on draw weight for them. I shoot a 54# Blacktail elite vl currently, and I am thinking like 48ish lbs at my draw length for the max6's.... open to suggestions

 

[Beendare]

I have a couple sets of the Uukhas.....and had Max5's [for a week] and shot the Borders.

Personally, I didn't like the max 5's. The borders were ok.

There is a big noticeable letoff with these^....I mean its like you will draw and think- WOW. They are a little louder than other limbs and it's noticeable. Its hard to describe why I didn't like them...they just didn't feel as elegant. They are faster for sure.

The Uukhas are similar but a little less hook. They have that softer feel at full draw...a bit of letoff but that doesn't really describe it correctly. I prefer these.

I haven't chrono'd them...but I swear my Uukha Vx's are faster at about 3-4# lighter than my other limbs...and they feel a little better. Now the guy that sold them to me obviously disagrees [he like the top end Hoyt formulas]....so take that comment with a grain of salt.


I can send you a set of my Uukhas to try for a week if you like.....
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[roosiebull]

Bruce, I appreciate that! i'm gonna just order the max6's, if I hate them, i'll be out a little, but they seem to sell quick and easy... the whole setup will be good trading stock

biggest problem with trad bows is the inability to "try before you buy"... pretty much have to take the chance.

I think i'm one who will like the super curves for a couple reasons, but only one way to really know. if I do end up liking them, next step will likely be a covert hunter..... I do prefer wood bows.

that Das tribute is crazy comfortable in the hand... maybe my favorite grip on any bow, with wheels or not, it indexes in the hand so well.... maybe i'll keep it, who knows.

I really appreciate the gesture man!

Morrison actually makes some nice wood ilf risers, so if I like the limbs, I can just buy another riser if I think I need a wood riser.

i'm just gonna buy the ilf plate from my riser instead of putting Das bushings on the limbs myself, they will be handy in the future regardless of if I keep it or sell it.

I hate having a long list of things I need soon, and not working... cramping my style! i'm getting the limbs real soon though, because I need some time to settle in and build some arrow setups.

 

[sneaky]

The thing I miss about living back east was going to all the trad shoots and getting to try all of the bows before buying sight unseen. Compton, ETAR, Howard Hill etc. Those shoots are heaven if you're looking for a new setup. I haven't shot any Borders, just not a fan of them, but I've shot about every combination that Morrison offers. The super curves certainly have a different draw feel to them but I doubt I'll ever own one. For whatever reason I just don't shoot them as well as other styles I've tried, but plenty of folks seem to really enjoy them. You won't have any problem moving those limbs if you decide they aren't for you. We'll expect a full report when you get them!

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[roosiebull]

yeah, I will certainly share my thoughts on them when I get them. only thing lacking will be actual speeds.... I don't want to go down the speed rabbit hole, so I don't shoot through chronos. I will shoot the weight of arrow I want and see if the trajectory is acceptable, beyond that I just don't care.... a heavy enough arrow going fast enough is good enough for me.

last time I shot through a chrono was probably 2010, when we needed our hunting arrow going 300fps, haha... I got to 301 and left it

those days are behind me... a 550-625gr arrow depending on arrow build and trajectory will suit me fine. right now I think my arrows are 658gr with my blacktail, with a 27yd point on, I want to be around 30yds point on, just because i'm used to that trajectory, so I can shoot all of my bows interchangeably without too much thought.

of course a lot of things come into play, like arrow length or weight.... some day I will be happy with what I have and just settle in, this constant hopping around is a little self destructive.... first step is admission....

 

[Wrench]

Do you guys ever get scared of blowing them up? I've taken some wild rides down the mountain and choose the longbow because it is the hardest to tear up. The super curve looks like it wouldn't take much side pressure on the string at the limb tip to make a mess.

 

[Beendare]

Roosie,
Currently I'm only using one set of the Uukhas...if you want to trey them let me know.

FWIW, I think you will like those 6's. The ones I bought were the first generation....and Bob had not worked out the kinks on those....I've heard the later iterations are much better.

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[oldgoat]

You can drop a few pounds for sure, only real numbers I can give you are for my wife's setup she used to have, she gained 10fps shooting a pound lighter draw bow, now the slower bow wasn't a model that was known for speed though. That was shooting the same arrow setup. One thing about the super curves, you have to be much more careful about how you store them for a trip, my wife's bow slipped in the back of the truck going from one spot to another, limb twisted slightly, had no problems getting it back with no further occurrences. Definitely worth the money for folks that need more oomph for what weight they can draw!

 

[roosiebull]

Do you guys ever get scared of blowing them up? I've taken some wild rides down the mountain and choose the longbow because it is the hardest to tear up. The super curve looks like it wouldn't take much side pressure on the string at the limb tip to make a mess.

With high end items, I do some research, durability is a big factor, then I just trust they aren’t building a fragile product. Morrison notes their toughness...

I fish salmon and steelhead a bunch, most of my rods are very high end, average 4-600 bucks a rod, and they are more fragile than the 69 dollar version, even at that, they are tough enough to drag through the brush all year and overall take punishment, but they are more fragile, just not impracticality so... they are also way more high performance, much more enjoyable to use, and excel in every aspect... it’s a fair trade off for how much time I use them.

I think just basic care, treating them like a high performance item and they’ll be fine.

My Blacktail isn’t the most durable bow made either, a metal riser and foam core limbs would be tougher, but I don’t baby my stuff and it still looks relatively new.

I bet this bow when I get it put together will be tougher than my Blacktail.

Maybe I’ll eat these words, haha. I’ll find out, it’s not a very gear friendly environment being my bow

 

[roosiebull]

You can drop a few pounds for sure, only real numbers I can give you are for my wife's setup she used to have, she gained 10fps shooting a pound lighter draw bow, now the slower bow wasn't a model that was known for speed though. That was shooting the same arrow setup. One thing about the super curves, you have to be much more careful about how you store them for a trip, my wife's bow slipped in the back of the truck going from one spot to another, limb twisted slightly, had no problems getting it back with no further occurrences. Definitely worth the money for folks that need more oomph for what weight they can draw!

Cool, thanks! I think I will shoot for 48ish lbs, and it sounds like that may possibly be a little more oomph than my 54# Blacktail... if not it should be close enough to not matter in the woods.

I like shooting light trad bows, if I can get similar performance, that seems like a big plus, and at brace it’s a shorter bow, also a plus.

I like the concept enough I have to try it... been bugging me and that doesn’t go away with me on it’s own

 

[Tartan]

If anything you might still get a little more performance than the black tail at that poundage.

I had border 52# hex 7.5s, have 50# hex 8s, and uukha vx+ that measure to 50 lbs all at my 31” draw length.

previous to those I had several longbows and recurves that pulled in the low to mid 60# range. All of the above limbs shoot equivalent weight arrows as fast or faster than those other bows which were all 12-14lbs heavier.

the uukha feel more like a normal limb, just without the stacking at the end.

max 6s should be fairly equivalent to hex 7s maybe the 7.5s. They’ll have a noticeable heavy start to the draw and will ease off to a soft backend. I think you’ll get use to it pretty quick.

to me the benefit of a supercurve is not faster arrow flight. It’s the same velocity with a heavy arrow but much lower holding weight. Plus with a long draw a lot of other limbs will start to stack for me.

 

[roosiebull]

to me the benefit of a supercurve is not faster arrow flight. It’s the same velocity with a heavy arrow but much lower holding weight. Plus with a long draw a lot of other limbs will start to stack for me.

100%, that exactly the concept that got me going down this road of thought.

 

[Wapiti1]

For us laymen, what defines a super-recurve limb? Funny how this traditional bow thing has so much technology baked in.

Jeremy

 

[Tartan]

For us laymen, what defines a super-recurve limb? Funny how this traditional bow thing has so much technology baked in.

Jeremy

basically a limb that curves so much that it requires special weaves of carbon to remain stable. If you were to build a set out of glass and wood core, it wouldn’t have enough stability to keep the string on it.

They generally pull much heavier early in the draw. And some (hex 9s) will remain at the same draw weight for the last several inches of draw. This allows them to store much more energy than a standard recurve at the same weight.

 

[roosiebull]

limbs are ordered... now the wait...

 

[Jdoc]

So can anyone shed some light on what options are available on the market. I have a set of max 5 morrison, never shot any other big hook limbs. So who else makes ILF big hooks besides border?

 

[Jdoc]

Beendare, if you are willing i would love to try a set of Uukhas on my new 17 inch jca riser. Let me know if we can get in touch and.

 

[bisblue]

Just to add my 2 cents, I pulled back a bow with Border 6.5 limbs in the low #50 range at a 3D shoot and it was so much easier than my satori with blackmax 2.0s in the low #40 range. It was unbelievable how good the Border 6.5s shot. And the arrow in it was 710 grains.
I found some used XL 6.5s and am waiting for them to show up.

They guy who built the bow was an older gentlemen with a monster hunting ticklist and former big time competitive shooter. I liked him right away because he had spray painted those limbs. He mentioned taking a big fall with his looking at them and kept on hunting.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Your Max 6 @ 48 will outperform your Blacktail by a lot with a heavier arrow. I like the Super Curve draw cycle as I feel it’s easier for alignment & back tension. I love my Morrison 6’s & have 3 sets. Run them on CD risers.

 

[ozyclint]

I have a border black Douglas with their hex 6h bb2 limbs.
I like the feel of more weight early in the draw and the butter smoothness at the end. I certainly notice the difference in draw cycle when I go back to a more conventional bow.
Mine has taken a ride down a granite slab. Tore a chunk off the shelf and there's still a dent in the edge of one of the limbs. Reshaped shelf area and refinished the riser and limbs. Still going strong. Touch wood. (Or should I say, touch carbon)