Recommend a truck...

[307]

I'm about the pull the trigger on a Ford F250, XLT with the 6.7 powerstroke and 8' bed. It will have a 2k truck camper living in it and won't be driven "around town" much at all.

 

[streamerfish]

The reality is......All the new full size trucks are complicated enough that they all have their own "issues". Objectively I don't think there is some kind of super clear cut winner. Personally I have always found Ford and Chevy to be more comfortable driving, but I don't think its a big deal anymore. And the costs are pretty insane.

They all ride pretty decent down the highway, they all tow whatever, they all are fine for Forest Service roads etc. They are all too big to be serious off road vehicles.

And the reality is that the vast majority are just extremely over priced, over sized hwy queens. And this comes from someone who has owned at least one full sized pickup at all times in my driving life.

Honestly, in the next couple years, when its time to move on from my 2019 F150, I'm never buying a full sized truck again. I'm over it....

 

[Yoder]

I think people need to let this overpriced junk rust on the lot.

 

[Salmon River Solutions]

They do offer that motor in the 1500 ZR2, but I shudder at thinking about dealing with the emissions nonsense. But then again, @ResearchinStuff says the 6.2 sucks as well. And Fords. And Toyotas.

16,000 miles, I've had to add DEF 3 times. After the 5 year warranty is up it will get deleted.

Ken

 

[solarshooter]

I think people need to let this overpriced junk rust on the lot.

I saved for years for a 3rd gen Tundra. Once they came out and I saw what a steaming pile they were, a factor in my decision to go used private market was to send an F U to Toyota for abandoning the principles and the core buyers that made them what they were.

 

[betelgeuse]

I recently retired my 2011 Titan Pro 4x. I found a 2024, the last year of that truck with 8000 miles for $45k. This was about half what I would have paid for a new GMC. The one I had served me well. No problems. I wanted the V8 and it was one of the few trucks that has it. It also came with all the gadgets I needed and I didn't have to add a bunch of stuff. Damn Trucks are super expensive right now. Nissan get's a lot of hate but these trucks have been great for me. The motor 5.6 V8 is very solid and a mature design, 400 HP. Everyone has a story of one brand or the other shitting the bed right away. It's hard to choose. I def did not want a diesel, ecoboost or V6 turbo. I will go for old designs that are proven over the coolest shiny new thing. Best of luck in your search.

I should also add fuel economy is overrated in my opinion unless you commute a long way. It takes years to see the benefit of paying more for a few miles a gallon better. Think outside the box and question your needs vs wants.

 

[betelgeuse]

So what do you get then, if everything is trash? I'm not being a d*ck. It's a serious question. do you know anything about the 3.0 diesel?

This is how the horror stories go. I asked a motorhead who I trust, what he thought about the 3.0 diesel, which I was interested in. He said, my daughter had one for a week, the motor grenaded, they ended up giving her a new truck. Seems like every brand has it's bad stories.

 

[jhirschhorn]

Ford F-150 Tremor with the 5.0liter is a solid truck. Do not think there is another half ton that compares. From being able to tow decent to the solid off road suspension with actual skid plates that are pretty darn tough, its pretty close to the best of both worlds. The 5.0 is a proven powerplant and should last. 10 speed trans reliability depends how you drive it and how often you do a trans service, and its the same 10speed as GMs. I shopped and drove all the main truck brands and really thought it was superior to the other brands, but you do pay for it.

 

[jhirschhorn]

This is how the horror stories go. I asked a motorhead who I trust, what he thought about the 3.0 diesel, which I was interested in. He said, my daughter had one for a week, the motor grenaded, they ended up giving her a new truck. Seems like every brand has it's bad stories.

3.0 diesel is trash, and theres a reason why they do not sell them anymore.

 

[SDHNTR]

I just traded out of a 2024 Tundra 1794 and bought a new F150 Tremor 402a. The quality difference is night and day and immediately noticeable. Never thought I’d say that. The Tundra was a giant pile of junk, and I’m a lifelong Toyota guy. The Tremor is quieter, smoother, far more solid feeling and gets better mileage. Even my wife noticed the improvement.

 

[Skerhunter]

Pulling a normal sized camper bumps you up to a 3/4-1 ton. That leaves you with only a few choices. Gas vs diesel and which brand. Ford has the best track record on the gas side currently. For diesel GM has a better warranty, but they are basically the same truck besides the difference in front end suspension.

Personally right now I would drive the truck you have until you actually need a new one. It is probably fully depreciated, so trading now vs 5 years won’t save you any money. New truck prices still aren’t worth it. They will come down at some point and maybe a lot!

 

[dubllung4]

ZR2 or not a 3/4 ton will not ride good. Not to mention they get stuck in wet grass. You need to decide what's more important to you. From what you described (ride quality being important) a 1/2 ton sounds right. In your shoes, I'd buy a 2021 or older Tundra with a 5.7 and drive the wheels off it.

 

[Schmo]

Not to mention they get stuck in wet grass.

Huh? I drive an F-250 and haven’t gotten stuck in wet grass, or mud from melted snow.

 

[Thinkingman]

No, gas. Ford's have timing belt issues, and transmission problems with the 10 speed. Gms have variable displacement issues with the 5.3 and can't even figure out what's wrong with the 6.2L. they also occasionally have transmission problems. Toyota has had lots of issues with the latest tundra. Stellantis can't engineer their way out of a paper bag.

My Ford 3.5 Ecoboost has a timing chain.
I'd suggest more research.
Two Toyotas were beyond disappointing.
Glad I got out of the last one before the frame collapse.
I still feel sorry for the sucker that bought it while his buddies told him how great they are.

OP-You sound like your future needs will require a truck and that takes you out of the Toyota market.

 

[TheCougar]

Not sure we are talking the same motor. GM still makes and is selling the 3.0 duramax in their 1/2 ton line up and lots of other vehicles.

3.0 diesel is trash, and theres a reason why they do not sell them anymore.

 

[betelgeuse]

I feel like anytime you are squeezing all you can out of a small motor, you are stressing it.

 

[TheCougar]

I don't disagree..

I feel like anytime you are squeezing all you can out of a small motor, you are stressing it.

 

[Machingeaneer]

I feel like anytime you are squeezing all you can out of a small motor, you are stressing it.

I think we're getting to the point where this is outdated. I'll take my 192k 2.7 Ecoboost over a new 6.2 Chevy or 5.7 hemi any day

 

[TheCougar]

Pulling a normal sized camper bumps you up to a 3/4-1 ton. That leaves you with only a few choices. Gas vs diesel and which brand. Ford has the best track record on the gas side currently. For diesel GM has a better warranty, but they are basically the same truck besides the difference in front end suspension.

Personally right now I would drive the truck you have until you actually need a new one. It is probably fully depreciated, so trading now vs 5 years won’t save you any money. New truck prices still aren’t worth it. They will come down at some point and maybe a lot!

Nothing is worth the price they are asking, especially vehicles. I'm trying to get that truck to last as long as possible, but at some point it will need to be replaced and the whole, "hold out for quality to improve and prices to go down" strategy has basically never worked for vehicles, not once, ever. Frankly, I think you're wrong that somehow things are going to turn around. Barring a major economic catastrophe (which is coming someday, and at which point I won't be truck shopping), prices aren't ever going back to BC (Before Covid).

 

[CorbLand]

Nothing is worth the price they are asking, especially vehicles. I'm trying to get that truck to last as long as possible, but at some point it will need to be replaced and the whole, "hold out for quality to improve and prices to go down" strategy has basically never worked for vehicles, not once, ever. Frankly, I think you're wrong that somehow things are going to turn around. Barring a major economic catastrophe (which is coming someday), prices aren't ever going back to BC (Before Covid).

Some of the changes that this Administration is making MIGHT allow for some improvements on vehicles but I don’t know if the manufacturers will actually make changes unless there is some sort of guarantee for some longevity and consistency.

I agree though, I don’t think waiting is your answer.