Received the Vaccine today...

[Dos Perros]

When was the last time we had 500K during a flu season? You are only missing the point by a full order of magnitude.

Draw the line for me between significant and insignificant. Shit we destroyed two middle eastern countries over “just” 3000 dead.

 

[MattB]

When was the last time we pcr tested EVERY hospital patient, EVERY death, had MASSIVE Drive In Testing, encouraged EVERYONE and their dog to get tested for the FLU with or WITHOUT SYMPTOMS? I'd say those numbers would also increase greatly if that was done. It isn't that difficult to manipulate numbers. PCR tests are turned up or down depending on the "level" of disease the tester want to detect.

Are you suggesting the number of annual flu deaths would increase by ~10x if they tested more for it? Look at the excess death stats for the US in 2020. You will see that is not how it works.

The US had 522K in excess deaths in 2020, of which 360K were listed as COVID deaths.

COVID-19 pandemic-related excess mortality and potential years of life lost in the U.S. and peer countries - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Researchers have used a variety of measures to assess the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, including deaths directly attributed to COVID-19 infection and deaths in excess of prior years’ death rates. However, these measures do not incorporate the prematurity of deaths or differences in age at...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

 

[gelton]

Are you suggesting the number of annual flu deaths would increase by ~10x if they tested more for it? Look at the excess death stats for the US in 2020. You will see that is not how it works.

The US had 522K in excess deaths in 2020, of which 360K were listed as COVID deaths.

COVID-19 pandemic-related excess mortality and potential years of life lost in the U.S. and peer countries - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Researchers have used a variety of measures to assess the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, including deaths directly attributed to COVID-19 infection and deaths in excess of prior years’ death rates. However, these measures do not incorporate the prematurity of deaths or differences in age at...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

Define excess deaths and then point to the data that shows a "pandemic" -

 

[MattB]

Define excess deaths and then point to the data that shows a "pandemic" -

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I honestly don't even understand what it is you are trying to demonstrate. Out of the 21 years listed, it is pretty obvious that the pandemic was during the years with the highest (2021) and second highest (2020) death rates.

 

[gelton]

I honestly don't even understand what it is you are trying to demonstrate. Out of the 21 years listed, it is pretty obvious that the pandemic was during the years with the highest (2021) and second highest (2020) death rates.

Deaths per 1K people has been on the exact same trajectory since 2014 and has been increasing at the same rate which is pretty much in line with population growth.

Edit - Said another way, the increases of deaths deemed covid related were offset by the decrease of deaths from the flu, cancer, heart disease, traffic fatalities, etc by a factor of almost 100%. This goes to show that when you offer a hospital 5 figures for each death that is deemed covid related, then by all means that is what will happen.

And supporting documentation can be found here from John Hopkins, but they had the article memory-holed so you have to go to way back machine to get it -

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the...

web.archive.org

 

[LONE HUNTER]

Deaths per 1K people has been on the exact same trajectory since 2014 and has been increasing at the same rate which is pretty much in line with population growth.

Winner Winner, Chicken Dinner.

 

[manitou1]

Deaths per 1K people has been on the exact same trajectory since 2014 and has been increasing at the same rate which is pretty much in line with population growth.

Correct. With the aging population and population growth, 2021 had a perfectly normal death rate... inline with normal annual increases. Covid added ZERO additional deaths.

 

[big44a4]

Meh at those numbers. It’s not black and white. And still, only 6% died from covid and 94% had average of 2.6 of comorbidities. So yea, America is fat and unhealthy and that’s the problem.

Agreed. Only getting fatter as we pay people to sit at home. Nothing says we care about your health like closing gyms and staying inside/away from people forever. I heard that’s the best way to build an immune system. Every 5 seconds sanitize your hands.

The truth is many of these people had something coming for them anyways. MANY. Not all, but many. It is what it is. I would say this will get people on top of preventative care like getting their health in shape, but fat chance in this country. The time to worry about possible negative health implications is before they happen. You may not survive the first heart attack or stroke you get for “X” reason. There isn’t always a second chance.

 

[roadrunner]

I honestly don't even understand what it is you are trying to demonstrate. Out of the 21 years listed, it is pretty obvious that the pandemic was during the years with the highest (2021) and second highest (2020) death rates.

Pandemic in 2009 (HIN1). SARS-CoV-1 in 2002. 2002 was quelled quickly and 2009 didn't amount to much once the old rule makers realized it wouldn't affect them much.

But then again, there wasn't a divide and conquer mission in '02 and '09 either...

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Covid vaccine profits mint 9 new pharma billionaires

Covid-19 vaccines have created at least nine new billionaires after shares in companies producing the shots soared.

amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org

If you can't beat 'em join them..if you haven't got in on any these companies better hurry before the "science" decides you need a booster shot evey year and prices jump again..nobody with any skin in game is going to let this profit train stop.

 

[Dos Perros]

Low testosterone in men linked to more severe COVID-19

Low testosterone in men linked to more severe COVID-19

Testosterone levels may be linked to severity of COVID-19 disease.

www.livescience.com

Maybe this is why liberals are hyper COVID vigilant? ( )

 

[WRO]

(PDF) Outcome Reporting Bias in COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Clinical Trials

PDF | Relative risk reduction and absolute risk reduction measures in the evaluation of clinical trial data are poorly understood by health... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

Interesting take on the overall efficacy of the jab..

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[WRO]

Low testosterone in men linked to more severe COVID-19

Low testosterone in men linked to more severe COVID-19

Testosterone levels may be linked to severity of COVID-19 disease.

www.livescience.com

Maybe this is why liberals are hyper COVID vigilant? ( )

There's a several studies that back up the theory that liberal men are usually betas based on job selection etc..

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[durangobrad]

Define excess deaths and then point to the data that shows a "pandemic" -

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How could they already have a death rate posted for 2021? That should be your first clue that its BS. They are still counting death certificates and preliminary data from 2020.....

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death

www.cdc.gov

This report presents an overview of provisional U.S. mortality data for 2020, including the first ranking of leading causes of death. In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States. From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population. COVID-19 was reported as the underlying cause of death or a contributing cause of death for an estimated 377,883 (11.3%) of those deaths (91.5 deaths per 100,000).

 

[Dos Perros]

How could they already have a death rate posted for 2021? That should be your first clue that its BS. They are still counting death certificates and preliminary data from 2020.....

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death

www.cdc.gov

This report presents an overview of provisional U.S. mortality data for 2020, including the first ranking of leading causes of death. In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States. From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population. COVID-19 was reported as the underlying cause of death or a contributing cause of death for an estimated 377,883 (11.3%) of those deaths (91.5 deaths per 100,000).

They forecast out death rates.

Two States, A Third of Counties Have More Deaths Than Births

Deaths are projected at 3.6 million in 2037, 1 million more than in 2015. As boomers age, deaths will rise every year, reaching a peak in 2055.

www.census.gov

This shows projected death rate out to 2100:

U.S. Death Rate 1950-2024

Chart and table of the U.S. death rate from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

We have been in an upward swing (actuals) since 2013 with an aging population. To my knowledge, COVID has not increased the rate of increase (accelerated).

 

[LWC]

Deaths per 1K people has been on the exact same trajectory since 2014 and has been increasing at the same rate which is pretty much in line with population growth.

Edit - Said another way, the increases of deaths deemed covid related were offset by the decrease of deaths from the flu, cancer, heart disease, traffic fatalities, etc by a factor of almost 100%. This goes to show that when you offer a hospital 5 figures for each death that is deemed covid related, then by all means that is what will happen.

And supporting documentation can be found here from John Hopkins, but they had the article memory-holed so you have to go to way back machine to get it -

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the...

web.archive.org

Everyone should take a minute to read the Johns Hopkins article. Here is a snippet:

After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.

COURTESY OF GENEVIEVE BRIAND

Graph depicts the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018.

This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.

 

[Broomd]

I've alluded to this before, but wife and I lost a very close friend to Covid in October '20.
This was an otherwise healthy guy.
He languished for 21 days in a Mexico City ICU with the best care that country could provide (he was a multi-millionaire).
Respectfully, anyone who continues to conflate or equate this to the average flu bout is an idiot.

 

[Dos Perros]

I've alluded to this before, but wife and I lost a very close friend to Covid in October '20.
This was an otherwise healthy guy.
He languished for 21 days in a Mexico City ICU with the best care that country could provide (he was a multi-millionaire).
Respectfully, anyone who continues to conflate or equate this to the average flu bout is an idiot.

Respectfully, do people that die of the flu die more gently or something?

 

[LWC]

Respectfully, do people that die of the flu die more gently or something?

I'm sure dying from a respiratory disease is a horrible way to go and wouldn't want anyone to have to go through that. The 62,000 or so that died from the flu in 19/20 likely had equally tragic deaths.

 

[roadrunner]

Low testosterone in men linked to more severe COVID-19

Low testosterone in men linked to more severe COVID-19

Testosterone levels may be linked to severity of COVID-19 disease.

www.livescience.com

Maybe this is why liberals are hyper COVID vigilant? ( )

Ah, yes...the sack of nuts theory again. Just like only women can get blood clots from the J & J version.

Low T levels can be affected by diet and stress, which can affect immune responses too. At least that's what my Cracker Jack's prize read anyway...