Real world ELDM Experience Please

[FLHunter87]

What weight ELDm? I only have experience with the 147 on animals but exits are the norm on deer and elk from 100-600 yards. If you don't plan on needing to shoot beyond 400 yards when hunting I'd stick with a tougher bullet and you'll have less of a mess. Out here in AZ you never know what shot opportunities you will be given and I need a bullet that will reliably expand at longer distances and the 147 fits the bill...

These are the 147s

 

[beerbucksducks]

Small sample, as it’s a loaner gun, but I’ve seen two mule deer bucks killed with factory 147s out of a 6.5 PRC.
First was 365 yards broadside. Perfect double lung straight line penetration with quarter size exit. Stumbled 10 yards and tipped over. Lungs were pretty well hammered.
Second was a similar size buck (220ish lbs) at 220 yards broadside. Shot hit forward of the diaphragm in the back of the lungs. Straight line penetration, exit same quarter size. Trotted 30 yards and tipped over. Lungs hammered.


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[43.6N]

78 grains was the longest shot 2530 velocity. This one held the shank, great mushroom, etc, everything you want. This was a high shoulder shot and we found it on the same side of deer on the back ham in the skin.

49.8 was 100 yards 2710 velocity. Lung shot, but found on opposite back leg in skin.

Not saying I dont like the bullet and definitely not a fast load. As far as meat loss there wasn't much in that regard. My issues was the explosion of literally everything. Stomach, intestines, almost everything, even with the good shot placements. Gutting was a mess and most tenderloin were no good or at least didnt want them with all that nasty matter internally.

Hard to say for certain what the bullet actually hit or how it traveled based on the description you’re giving. And not trying to discount your experience, but consider the following:

A lot of people will describe lungs or heart as “jelly” but then when you actually look at the heart or lungs you can see a 2” hole through the muscle or alveolar tissue with radiating sunburst lacerations.

Point being it didn’t completely “liquify” the organ, but instead created so much hydrolic pressure as it passed through the organ to burst capillaries and connective tissue. The Jelly people are describing is usually just coagulated blood from all the burst capillaries.

Same concept with a lot of meat that gets described as “blood shot.”
When it actually is coagulated capillary blood being trapped in the fascia surrounding the muscle, rather then true muscle body trauma.

A high shoulder/high thoracic shot has the very real chance of perforating the diaphragm at the connecting ligaments along the vertebra. Even small perforations of the stomach, liver, or intestines will leak bile. And when bile mixes with the coagulating blood, I’ve seen it look exactly like what you would expect with a true gut shot. But in that scenario, the damage in the abdominal cavity was actually pretty minor compared to the thoracic cavity.

 

[43.6N]

Also a follow up question. Are these elevated shot from a stand? Or in-line from the ground?

 

[FLHunter87]

Also a follow up question. Are these elevated shot from a stand? Or in-line from the

All elevated but 2. But all did the same thing internally and shot placements were all online top shoulder and behind, besides the high shoulder. 9 animals taken this week including the hogs for me alone. Small sample, but they all did the same exact thing. Again not complaining for meat loss cause it wasn't really much. It was the explosion of literally everything internal.

 

[FLHunter87]

What weight ELDm? I only have experience with the 147 on animals but exits are the norm on deer and elk from 100-600 yards. If you don't plan on needing to shoot beyond 400 yards when hunting I'd stick with a tougher bullet and you'll have less of a mess. Out here in AZ you never know what shot opportunities you will be given and I need a bullet that will reliably expand at longer distances and the 147 fits the bill...

Yeah. I think im going to try the 150 ABLR. I had the 142s for a long time but cant get them to shoot for some reason. Had a good load for them but doesn't shoot them great anymore. Its either the 150ABLR or the 156EOL.

 

[Forkasauras]

On deer they cause lots of meat damage, but they also kill very quickly. I typically only see damage along the bullet path, which has so far (7 deer) been straight lines.
Factory 6 arc 108 eldm.

 

[Stache Attack]

If you don’t like that animals are dropping in 10-15 yards may I recommend Barnes ttsx or nosler accubond. With those two options you get two holes so you can blood trail the next 16 hours.