Questions about the irrelevance of energy (ft-lbs)

[bmart2622]

No.

They are subjective interpretations of the result of work. Not objective data on the work itself. Every post, every thread, proves it.

Ill tell you what is subjective data....shooting a deer in the leg, claiming it was a good shot, then blaming the bullet all the while never finding the deer....does that sound familiar?!?

 

[Harvey_NW]

The problem isn’t knowing the result, it’s knowing why, and without the subjectivity of ‘frangible’, ‘mono’, and 1800 fps.

That’s simply your personal reduction of all the other opinions and or interpretations of your own experiences.

No, it's actually the limitation set by the company of ballisticians and engineers that have spent millions of dollars and shot millions of rounds testing this stuff. But yes, anecdotal evidence from myself and thousands of others also substantiates it. Just because YOU want to know why, doesn't make it relevant. The fact of the matter is, it's been studied, performed, documented, and established. You missed your window of opportunity.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

So pictures documenting the size of the entrance, measuring the depth of penetration, width of wound channel, damage to internal organs, and size of exit, is not objective data?!?!!?

Nope. How much work?, at what impact velocity?, how much left in hillside?, how much in animal? Helps one understand subjectively, sort of, a decent or not decent result. Nothing more. Nothing more than we’ve had since we started shooting animals to see what happens. Lol

You’re not seeing the problem.

 

[bmart2622]

You dont understand what objective means

 

[Stinky Coyote]

Ill tell you what is subjective data....shooting a deer in the leg, claiming it was a good shot, then blaming the bullet all the while never finding the deer....does that sound familiar?!?

Lmao, shooter also caught impact and agreed, it was a good ripple, easy to catch, both thought dead deer tripoding. We got some thick whitetails up here in Alberta. Beside the point of...subjective interpretation!!! We know that’s not enough sd for that velocity and construction range and that it’s a damn fine coyote wolf drt option if hide saving on the menu. Or we wouldn’t be running heavy for cal brand new fast twist .22’s that DO have enough formula, 75’s, 77’s, 88’s....all learned by trial and error on game as we had no OTHER facking option.

What’s the problem?

 

[Stinky Coyote]

You dont understand what objective means

the kettle is calling

 

[bmart2622]

Lmao, shooter also caught impact and agreed, it was a good ripple, easy to catch, both thought dead deer tripoding. Beside the point of...subjective interpretation!!! We know that’s not enough sd for that velocity and construction range and that it’s a damn fine coyote wolf drt option if hide saving on the menu. Or we wouldn’t be running heavy for cal brand new fast twist .22’s that DO have enough formula, 75’s, 77’s, 88’s....all learned by trial and error on game as we had no OTHER facking option.

What’s the problem?

You shot the deer in the leg and only have your opinion to go off, which is subjective data. Without any quantifiable or measurable data, which is the definition of OBJECTIVE DATA, you really have no idea where you hit that deer

 

[bmart2622]

Ill just leave this here

 

[Stinky Coyote]

No, it's actually the limitation set by the company of ballisticians and engineers that have spent millions of dollars and shot millions of rounds testing this stuff. But yes, anecdotal evidence from myself and thousands of others also substantiates it. Just because YOU want to know why, doesn't make it relevant. The fact of the matter is, it's been studied, performed, documented, and established. You missed your window of opportunity.

The fact of the matter is the effort was, and continues to be, put in the wrong place. Study the work, not the result of work. We have more than a century of result of work data, shades of death or shades of not death lol.

What’s the problem?

 

[Stinky Coyote]

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Ill just leave this here

Thankyou for confirming what I’m saying, and what you think you’re saying.

 

[bmart2622]

Im saying you clearly have no idea what objective is or choose to continue to troll despite being presented with irrefutable facts

 

[Stinky Coyote]

You shot the deer in the leg and only have your opinion to go off, which is subjective data. Without any quantifiable or measurable data, which is the definition of OBJECTIVE DATA, you really have no idea where you hit that deer

Exactly.

We do know where the deer was hit. We do know the result. We do have a subjective interpretation of why. That’s all.

What’s the problem?

 

[Stinky Coyote]

Im saying you clearly have no idea what objective is or choose to continue to troll despite being presented with irrefutable facts

Was the deer didn’t die objective info to you? Lmao

You’re not grasping this. Why didn’t it die? What was the work curve to show it objectively? Visualizing a roughly 5-6” grenade and deer didn’t die is hardly objective. At least not until the coyotes caught up to it anyway. Is it objective if it gets in the freezer before end of weekend?

What’s the problem?

I’m gonna have to change my signature here. Save some keystroke.

 

[bmart2622]

Was the deer didn’t die objective info to you? Lmao

You’re not grasping this. Why didn’t it die? What was the work curve to show it objectively?

What’s the problem?

I’m gonna have to change my signature here. Save some keystroke.

It didn't die because you shot it in the leg

 

[Stinky Coyote]

It didn't die because you shot it in the leg

Love it. A subjective interpretation from someone who wasn’t there and maybe not even born yet.

See the problem yet?

 

[Stinky Coyote]

You havin a few beers too bmart?

 

[bmart2622]

Love it. A subjective interpretation from someone who wasn’t there and maybe not even born yet.

See the problem yet?

Love it. A subjective interpretation from someone who wasn’t there and maybe not even born yet.

See the problem yet?

Yeah, the problem is you shot a deer in the leg, deer dont die when you shoot them in the leg, at least not right away. It may have died after the wound became septic or predators tore it apart while it was still alive, kudos to you for that

 

[Stinky Coyote]

You ARE having beers. Cheers

We could maybe get two more pages of subjective interpretation on just this one example alone!

Lol, hit where I said, a 75/77/88 moving a little slower and it would have been a 2wd right into the freezer. And this fantasy of yours wouldn’t have even started lol. Bad formula for that shot. Long ago. And no objective data to explain why lol.

 

[bmart2622]

Wrong once again, thats becoming a very long list for you

 

[Stinky Coyote]

Wrong once again, thats becoming a very long list for you

Do tell, why aren’t guys here using 55gr varmint construction bullets in their 6mm’s for big game here????? And any numbers to go with so all can understand? You know the temporary stretch and permanent wound cavity of that? Even know the impact velocity? Total penetration? Lmfao...

You drinking your beers in front of mirror? again?