Q&A on NF NX6 scope reviews

[Formidilosus]

I don’t understand the gas gun comments. I’ve been shooting gas guns for 32(?) years now. Never had a 25x or 30x-36x scope on one.

Did I miss something? Or is this a forum-specific code word insult for people who build tacticool stuff they don't really use?

They’re talking about the 2-12x and the reticles for it as “gas gun”- which that’s is their market for it. “Recce” or SPR type gas guns are the shooters that want that type scope with that type of reticle.

 

[Chris in TN]

They’re talking about the 2-12x and the reticles for it as “gas gun”- which that’s is their market for it. “Recce” or SPR type gas guns are the shooters that want that type scope with that type of reticle.

Ah. Thank you.

 

[bruno747]

That 2-12 is almost exactly what I have wanted for quite a few years. If only I could get the first focal plane one with a capped elevation turret. Having a parallax adjustment is the only thing I miss on my atacr 1-8. If I knew this was coming out I wouldn't have bought two of the 1-8 on black friday. Breaking the magnification ring from the back of the scope is welcome.

Cant wait for milehigh to get their hands on the 2-12 F1 so I can go check it out in person.

Edit : Just watched the covered to exposed conversion video. Looks like other than convincing them to sell me the opposite of the listed conversion kit there isn't any reason the exposed version cant be easily converted to a covered version.

 

[Dobermann]

With the caveat that it may very well be true, I have to point out the irony that this is the exact same line of reasoning I hear from the tacticool christmas tree fans.

"It's actually great bro you just don't know how to use it. Take this class and watch 6 videos 5 times each and you'll get it bro trust me. It's so good you just suck at shooting but if you practice with it for 10,000 rounds you'll love it I promise."

Short answer: No.

 

[RockAndSage]

With the caveat that it may very well be true, I have to point out the irony that this is the exact same line of reasoning I hear from the tacticool christmas tree fans.

"It's actually great bro you just don't know how to use it. Take this class and watch 6 videos 5 times each and you'll get it bro trust me. It's so good you just suck at shooting but if you practice with it for 10,000 rounds you'll love it I promise."

I hear what you're saying, and have experienced similar things - on top of having a particular dislike of the Tactical Timmyisms that are the black-rifle version of Fudd Lore. I've also suffered in ignorance from both at times, and it has set me back on my shooting growth.

That said - this reticle is f'ing amazing.

I've had the chance to use this THLR reticle in a Minox for a couple of days now, and it's experienced exactly how @Dobermann and Form are saying: your eye is drawn right to the middle, none of the other BS stands out. But when you want to use it, it's there and very usable. This is my first-take impression, from the night it arrived.

Something that's particularly appealing, is that it's a reticle that's excellent at multiple skill-levels. For an absolute rookie, it's as usable as a duplex or German #4 in the field, without all the extra stuff interfering at all. Or even really being noticed, especially on lower magnification - but the important stuff is big and useful, drawing your eye right to center. But as skill sets advance, the toolsets in the reticle become more useful. I have a ton of learning to do on mine, and thus far, it's excellent, even with my limited long-range skills and knowledge.

The modified THLR that'll be coming out in the Rokscope - that's going to be such a useful hunting scope.

 

[Macintosh]

They’re talking about the 2-12x and the reticles for it as “gas gun”- which that’s is their market for it. “Recce” or SPR type gas guns are the shooters that want that type scope with that type of reticle.

It was too similar a footprint AND reticle to the trijicon 2-10x36 to be a coincidence in my mind, so figured it was targeted somewhere. Is this reticle aimed at a competitive format, an actual mil use, or just tacticool? Curious what exactly it’s good for.

 

[Formidilosus]

Is this reticle aimed at a competitive format and actual mil use

Ehh. Yes’ish. The mil dudes generally want a tree of some sort, so to the comp SPR match guys. And especially for that, there is some legitimacy to a well done tree reticle. BUT, and it’s a big butt- well done is SWFA’s MQ V2 reticle in the 3-15x. Or at least that’s about as close as anyone has gotten.

, or just tacticool? Curious what exactly it’s good for.

The “tactical” range people are who clamor for it mostly. And it’s mostly because of fantasy land. Shooting and hitting in a dynamic environment at speed means that I want to see as much as possible inside and around the reticle. Take nighttime and clip-on NV away, and mostly I want nothing to do with a treed or complicated reticle.

 

[Okie_Poke]

That 2-12 is almost exactly what I have wanted for quite a few years. If only I could get the first focal plane one with a capped elevation turret. Having a parallax adjustment is the only thing I miss on my atacr 1-8. If I knew this was coming out I wouldn't have bought two of the 1-8 on black friday. Breaking the magnification ring from the back of the scope is welcome.

Okay, honest question. I don't need to share the use case, but I am trying to understand it. What do you use a 20 mil grid for with a 2-12x power scope?

 

[Macintosh]

Ehh. Yes’ish. The mil dudes generally want a tree of some sort, so to the comp SPR match guys. And especially for that, there is some legitimacy to a well done tree reticle. BUT, and it’s a big butt- well done is SWFA’s MQ V2 reticle in the 3-15x. Or at least that’s about as close as anyone has gotten.

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The “tactical” range people are who clamor for it mostly. And it’s mostly because of fantasy land. Shooting and hitting in a dynamic environment at speed means that I want to see as much as possible inside and around the reticle. Take nighttime and clip-on NV away, and mostly I want nothing to do with a treed or complicated reticle.

Makes sense on paper. I really dont know that world so cant speak to it at all intelligently—not sure I understand the comments about night/nv. Ive dealt with enough govt-chosen equipment to treat it with cautious skepticism combined with a dash of optimism though…with that in mind, is there something I can take from it as a hunter?
I had an experience just today, I won a scope in camerlands monthly thing, it has a little mini tree. Im practicing, and the tree noticeable blocks stuff that is partially obscured in brush, making it even harder to find a target that is hard to see. I havent yet met a tree reticle that didnt do this. I would think that would be just as important if the “deer” might shoot back. There has to be some acknowledgement of that tradeoff with these reticles? What is the situation that gives this reticle such an advantage that those folks are overlooking or overruling that it simply obscures what’s behind it?

 

[Formidilosus]

Makes sense on paper. I really dont know that world so cant speak to it at all intelligently—

Neither can they.

not sure I understand the comments about night/nv.

At night you really can’t see your turrets to adjust elevation. So holding elevation and windage becomes the norm. I still generally prefer a simple reticle, but there is at least some honest discourse about simple tree reticles for that use.

Ive dealt with enough govt-chosen equipment to treat it with cautious skepticism combined with a dash of optimism though…with that in mind, is there something I can take from it as a hunter?

No. Not really.

I had an experience just today, I won a scope in camerlands monthly thing, it has a little mini tree. Im practicing, and the tree noticeable blocks stuff that is partially obscured in brush, making it even harder to find a target that is hard to see. I havent yet met a tree reticle that didnt do this. I would think that would be just as important if the “deer” might shoot back. There has to be some acknowledgement of that tradeoff with these reticles?

No, there mostly isn’t. You have to realize the “tactical” world- and that includes high end military: is by and large very siloed. They know what they are taught, and rarely is that world class optimum skill by world
class shooters with a broad enough and varied background to draw more or different information from.

What is the situation that gives this reticle such an advantage that those folks are overlooking or overruling that it simply obscures what’s behind it?

What is the real situation? Mostly nothing really.
What they “believe” is that tree reticles, Tremor reticles, etc.- are faster to shoot with than dialing elevation on multiple targets. And that is true to an extent- faster to shoot with, not faster to hit with. Using the reticle for elevation and windage is only faster to hit with, when the target is massive: as in an E-Type silhouette (40” tall, 20” wide) at close to mid range, and from stable positions with little stress. Make it a realistic target size (12”), unstable positions, high heart rate, high mental and emotional stress, etc…. Nah. It’s not even close. Once you pass about 1 mil to maybe 1.5 mils of elevation, it is measurably faster to hit with, dialing elevation and holding windage.

 

[ElPollo]

Okay, honest question. I don't need to share the use case, but I am trying to understand it. What do you use a 20 mil grid for with a 2-12x power scope?

I think the question should be who actually needs a 20 mil grid in any case? If I’m looking at 5 mils of wind drift, it’s a good day to not be shooting something with hair on it. Likewise 5-6 mills of drop generally takes me below my minimum impact velocity.