Thanks. I have lived with a ~-4.5diopter right eye most of my life, easily correctable with contacts, then after HBOT treatment a few years back it got worse and stayed at ~-8.5-9x with some astigmatism and it sucks. It killed my revolver hunting and open-sighted-rifle days.
What does it explain? I have only shot at one animal in the last 20 years that I have missed - its was a bear last spring at 200 yards on 4x. It was a complete cluster type situation and I was flustered because I lost my mag when getting out of the boat off the salmon and didnt realize it until I took my gun off the pack to make the shot after the stalk. I ended up finding that bear an hour later and shot it at 650 yards at 32x - that was with one of my SFP scopes.
Also had astigmatism - i have 20/20 now. 3 min procedure and one uncomfortable evening - it was well worth it.
The main reason they are making their own scope is because companies like NF won't give us good hunting reticles. This complaint has been around way longer than the idea of their scope. So no, it's not a marketing ploy. It's the reason they are making their own scope.
Not sure if you are new, guys on here only need 6x to 600 yards. Very few ever go above 10x on any shot. If you do it differently, it's best to just keep it to yourself. Different strokes, different folks, I suppose.
If you like SFP and MOA, MOAR is an excellent reticle and I highly recommend a Nightforce with that set-up.
The reticle thing is not blown out of proportion. They suck to use at lower magnification on a FFP scope.
Agreed. Nightforce is my PREFERRED scope brand. Which is likely why I am frustrated.
I don’t agree. It’s actually good to have people go against the grain. Certainly more than 1 way to do things. Most focus on the gun stuff, including scope mag, is efficiency. Better sight picture to react from. The issue becomes when the discourse is disrespectful and intractable with viewpoints that go against “the masses.”
Someone else earlier expressed the same sentiment. I dont disagree with it in principle. I REALLY, REALLY want to find a NF scope that I can get behind wholeheartedly for all the reasons you outlined. It’s just that I have a different set of priorities than yours, and for me it IS a dealbreaker, because I do have other overall-better options. The reticle pics posted just above are a perfect example, those reticles simply don’t work well for me for the majority of my hunting, yet there’s zero reason why NF can’t integrate a usable reticle into a lower powered ffp scope to make it quite capable at both short and longer range.
That’s good info there. Certainly illustrates the lack of targeting with that scope in that power range. Believe your eyes.
That's my point. You get guys saying "that explains it" or constantly just want to convince you of their way. It turns into a large echo chamber. They can't fathom that anyone could do it differently.
I see and understand that sentiment, but I actually don’t think that’s what’s happening here. Just because I think 15X is too much magnification for most shots, does not mean that I think 6X should be the maximum magnification. I’m talking about a 2-12 power scope, which is pretty ideal for my use and I think for a ton of other people as well. I’m looking for an optimal middle ground that is truly versatile, not something at either extreme of the spectrum. If people want to take their shots at 32 power, there are plenty of scopes that do that. If people want to shoot nothing but MPBR at 200 yards, there are also plenty of scopes that do that, but thats not the subject, and I dont think either of those was NF’s target here. What is harder to find are good options in the middle, that do a good job at BOTH—and with a solidly middle ground magnification range, and turrets designed to go back-and-forth between capped and exposed, it seems that was exactly NF’s intention with this scope,. That’s what I’m talking about, and that doesn’t sit within either “echo chamber”, neither the “nothing more than 6X” perspective, nor the “all my shots are at 32X” perspective.
Nothings absolute. I clearly don't agree with the masses on here regarding scope power. Could be a number of reasons why my experience does not match theirs. Most likely, we just hunt differently, in different terrain. 2-12× for me is not what I consider "middle ground" and you do. Nothing wrong with that. I much prefer higher magnification at longer range. It has it's tradeoffs in my opinion. 15-18× would be my minimum I would want on a LR scope for the Top end. I shoot FFP, so I really don't bother with knowing what power I am on when shooting LR. After the shot, I often look and realize I prefer closer to the top end. My last kill was 645 yards and IIRC I ended up being on 15 or 18x for that shot.
We can try and disagree if you want, but I actually think we’re not necessarily on a different page here. I’m not a long range hunter. I’m an eastern guy who mainly hunts at short range, who sometimes makes trips west and dabbles in longer range hunting, but likes to practice longer range shooting. 645 yards is well beyond the distance I’m comfortable shooting an animal at, end of story. In ideal conditions I’m talking maybe 500 yards, anything beyond that is for practice or is aspirational. Bottom line is you and I are two different customers, who probably aren’t going to buy the same scope in the first place. My feedback for a 3-18 or a 5-30 or whatever magnification scope is going to be different than it is for a 2-12 scope, because those scopes are clearly aimed at different use cases. That’s where I think we may be missing each other, is that if you or rockin tacos wants a higher magnification scope for shooting at longer range and dont see the fuss about trying to use the reticle at 2X, that’s because we’re trying to do completely different things with a completely different scope. Night force DID make a 2-12 X scope though, and they did offer it with a hunting reticle AND some features that seem designed to address a customer that is shooting both at short range, and at long range where dialing would be needed. That’s the scope I’m interested in, and that’s the scope I’m bitching about the reticle on. I couldn’t give two shits about the reticle that’s on the 30 X scope because that simply doesn’t match where and how I hunt.
