Project 2025 and public lands and environment

[PLhunter]

What DOGE is doing has nothing to do with bloat, or over staffing! It’s an excuse, a lie, but then Trump never lies right? They are trying to make the tax cuts permanent. In order to do that they have to raise the debt ceiling, invoke huge tariffs and slash spending. What’s the first thing a corporation does to raise capital? THEY LAYOFF!

lol, and we aren’t even going to see a dime of the “savings.” That’s what’s so bonkers to me. If you work at a place and two bosses come in and one comes in and is like okay so we are going to get rid of the break room, we are firing 50% of you, and we aren’t going to pay you a dime more. Why pick that boss?

 

[nksmfamjp]

DOGE is now here to find WASTE, FRAUD, and ABUSE.

Let me help you out there… DODGE is an illegal hack of government agencies and systems to redirect money towards Elon…..your posts are evidence that the marketing has worked.

I think PLHunter is right about getting our shit together to protect our public lands.

Yep, but here we sit with 17 pages where only 20% are strong supporters of public lands available primarily for public sporting use by the public. The other 80% are probably fine as long as they can buy permissions to hunt, permissions to shoot, permissions to make ammo, permissions to buy rifles, permissions to hunt…..hmm.

Additionally, he’s going after very personal opinions on what waste is. Considering the consumer protections cost about $2.12 a year for tax payers and returned billions it wasn’t a big expense but he went after it because he personally didn’t like it.

Yep, waste is taking power away from the people who control the wealth in the country. Elon sees himself ultimately as that supreme being. For those of you shouting ‘murica first for 17 pages….y’all know Elon is South African, right?

Shoot I’d support ramping up timber harvests! Our forests need it bad, but you’re right, there’s going to be no one to do it. Or conduct the prescribed burning for preventing wildfires. With hotshots remaining on, the management of fires has become completely reactionary

Good point.

I know for a fact the entire federal government is full of bloat and possibly fire too but fire isn't the first thing I'd personally cut. We HAVE to make cuts everywhere though, it's not optional at this point if we care about our kids and grandkids. Also that dude appears to know them personally so I hope they keep their jobs for that reason alone.

This is a hilariously common line of thinking. The thing is, government finances don’t work like home or business finances. At home, you cannot increase the value of your money, reduce its value, print more, print less, Also, few things you do make you money or change your power…..so, why don’t you spend some time reading and let others work on the gub’r’ment!

 

[JohnJohnson]

Yep, but here we sit with 17 pages where only 20% are strong supporters of public lands available primarily for public sporting use by the public. The other 80% are probably fine as long as they can buy permissions to hunt, permissions to shoot, permissions to make ammo, permissions to buy rifles, permissions to hunt…..hmm.

You're generous in assuming they have actual principles or beliefs. To them this is a team sport and there's no limit to the mental gymnastics they'll do to make excuses for their team.

 

[CJ19]

Let me help you out there… DODGE is an illegal hack of government agencies and systems to redirect money towards Elon…..your posts are evidence that the marketing has worked.

Yep, but here we sit with 17 pages where only 20% are strong supporters of public lands available primarily for public sporting use by the public. The other 80% are probably fine as long as they can buy permissions to hunt, permissions to shoot, permissions to make ammo, permissions to buy rifles, permissions to hunt…..hmm.


Yep, waste is taking power away from the people who control the wealth in the country. Elon sees himself ultimately as that supreme being. For those of you shouting ‘murica first for 17 pages….y’all know Elon is South African, right?


Good point.


This is a hilariously common line of thinking. The thing is, government finances don’t work like home or business finances. At home, you cannot increase the value of your money, reduce its value, print more, print less, Also, few things you do make you money or change your power…..so, why don’t you spend some time reading and let others work on the gub’r’ment!

The TDS sufferers in this post whine because someone early said something nasty about big government. i and others asked that person to allow the people in this thread to be able to talk. Since then, people like you and many of the other 100% "trump bad" posters have done almost nothing but post complete drivel. You and others like the post below are why this thread will get closed. I am full of nothing but praise for the moderators here. If it was up to me, I would let everything go but I am not the one moderating or putting my money into the site. So I will tell you the same thing I told the right wing guy that said something nasty. Try to resist posting this stuff because there are people posting actual conservation related stuff. This will get the thread closed. Thanks.

You're generous in assuming they have actual principles or beliefs. To them this is a team sport and there's no limit to the mental gymnastics they'll do to make excuses for their team.

 

[grainhog]

Best and brightest…. Its incompetence. He’s not a genius and his tween army are just sycophants. It’s in full display.

I cannot imagine what the rooms of foreign intelligence offices look like under a black light after this whole debacle resulted in unvetted access to our systems. See them from space.

This is one of the most infuriating parts of the billionaire worship. If the worshippers knew how little these self-professed genius CEOs had actually accomplished or created; how little they were actually capable of other than play-acting, lying, grifting, manipulating, misrepresenting, and convincingly overstating the value of their own contributions under the guise of expertise; all to achieve absurdly huge valuations for companies that exceed the actual value of their intellectual property by orders of magnitude, to enrich themselves...the pitchforks would come out.

But people are so tragically desperate to believe that Tony Stark is indeed the genius corporate superhero he bills himself to be, who understands everything in the world completely without error by osmosis, and so they buy in, and the prophecy fulfills itself.

 

[Skerhunter]

lol, and we aren’t even going to see a dime of the “savings.” That’s what’s so bonkers to me. If you work at a place and two bosses come in and one comes in and is like okay so we are going to get rid of the break room, we are firing 50% of you, and we aren’t going to pay you a dime more. Why pick that boss?

How do you know that is going to happen? I ask because a lot of people on here seem to be upset about “what they think is going to happen”.

Personally I’m cheering for an over-all win at the end of all this vs. total failure (not sure why people would want that). I view a lot of what our gov does as not sustainable political BS. This became very evident during Covid.

For the layoffs - they always suck. I hope everyone affected bounces back quickly and is better off in the end. Private sector is constantly dealing with this issue, when was the last time the GOV cleaned house and ppl actually had to worry about it?

 

[PLhunter]

This is a hilariously common line of thinking. The thing is, government finances don’t work like home or business finances. At home, you cannot increase the value of your money, reduce its value, print more, print less, Also, few things you do make you money or change your power…..so, why don’t you spend some time reading and let others work on the gub’r’ment!

Monetary policy especially on the scale of nations is something a lot more complex than what most realize. Our dollar has the purchasing power it has because of pretty damn sound monetary policy. Otherwise our currency status relative to other currencies would have suffered.

 

[PLhunter]

How do you know that is going to happen? I ask because a lot of people on here seem to be upset about “what they think is going to happen”.

Personally I’m cheering for an over-all win at the end of all this vs. total failure (not sure why people would want that). I view a lot of what our gov does as not sustainable political BS. This became very evident during Covid.

For the layoffs - they always suck. I hope everyone affected bounces back quickly and is better off in the end. Private sector is constantly dealing with this issue, when was the last time the GOV cleaned house and ppl actually had to worry about it?

I’m not 100% sure but I’m definitely trying to get people to at least pay attention to it and ask questions if it doesn't make it to them. Ideally, just getting people to think more value oriented and that requires people to ask what they are getting for the savings. Applauding cuts and not caring about where it goes, just to own someone, is a mentality I don’t think is beneficial.

The factors I’m taking into account as to why I certainly think there won’t be proportional benefits to normal people is the history of those involved. They are more inline with robber barons in their business and personal dealings than Robin Hood. Also the strategy to the cuts seems to be to get rid of watchdogs and consumer protections first which indicates that this is not for the benefit of the people.

 

[D S 319]

Monetary policy especially on the scale of nations is something a lot more complex than what most realize. Our dollar has the purchasing power it has because of pretty damn sound monetary policy.

Can you explain these “sound” monetary policies? Or what “sound” money really is?

 

[PLhunter]

Can you explain these “sound” monetary policies? Or what “sound” money really is?

For recent stuff. Post Covid there was a substantial risk of two different outcomes. One was too little investment in restarting an economy and having a significant recession or even depression. The other due to supply chain issues as well as providing too much investment and investing in the wrong areas there was the risk of not just inflation but hyper inflation. Meaning wheelbarrows of money to buy goods.

We threaded that needle better than every other economy who was dealing with the same pressures. Our economy grew and bounced back faster and better and the dollar remained strong. We certainly dealt with some inflation but we also grew our economy quickly and bounced back faster than others. Others who had equal or more inflation and slower/weaker economic recovery.

As we will see going forward. Austerity isn’t a guarantee of reduced consumer prices and inflation.

Long term, we’ve managed averages of inflation inline with the growth of our gdp. Through careful management of interest rates as well as proportional spending. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than anyone else? Yes.

Additionally: not all money printing is equal when it comes to inflation or strengthening a currency. Depositing $5000 dollars into every individuals bank account isn’t the same as investing that money into bridges, roads, and technology. Those investments facilitate long term returns on gdp growth.

 

[Skerhunter]

I’m not 100% sure but I’m definitely trying to get people to at least pay attention to it and ask questions if it doesn't make it to them. Ideally, just getting people to think more value oriented and that requires people to ask what they are getting for the savings. Applauding cuts and not caring about where it goes, just to own someone, is a mentality I don’t think is beneficial.

The factors I’m taking into account as to why I certainly think there won’t be proportional benefits to normal people is the history of those involved. They are more inline with robber barons in their business and personal dealings than Robin Hood. Also the strategy to the cuts seems to be to get rid of watchdogs and consumer protections first which indicates that this is not for the benefit of the people.

Asking questions is ok - problem is I don’t think a single person knows what is going to happen. The only sure bet is change is coming (very scary for some). Which I think everyone will agree change is needed - let’s just hope they get more right vs wrong!

Your robber barrons/owning someone comments are funny. If I have learned anything in the past 8+ years is that our government (departments/employees) are willing to lie/cheat/steal to get their way/money. That doesn’t sound very Robbin hood like to me?

 

[D S 319]

For recent stuff. Post Covid there was a substantial risk of two different outcomes. One was too little investment in restarting an economy and having a significant recession or even depression. The other due to supply chain issues as well as providing too much investment and investing in the wrong areas there was the risk of not just inflation but hyper inflation. Meaning wheelbarrows of money to buy goods.

We threaded that needle better than every other economy who was dealing with the same pressures. Our economy grew and bounced back faster and better and the dollar remained strong. We certainly dealt with some inflation but we also grew our economy quickly and bounced back faster than others. Others who had equal or more inflation and slower/weaker economic recovery.

As we will see going forward. Austerity isn’t a guarantee of reduced consumer prices and inflation.

Long term, we’ve managed averages of inflation inline with the growth of our gdp. Through careful management of interest rates as well as proportional spending. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than anyone else? Yes.

This is the exact opposite of sound money. Covid was the largest transfer of wealth we have seen in our lifetime. Sounds like manipulation to me.

I appreciate your concern for public land conservation and bringing this issue to the forefront, but I believe your understanding of what constitutes sound money is flawed.

 

[PLhunter]

This is the exact opposite of sound money. Covid was the largest transfer of wealth we have seen in our lifetime. Sounds like manipulation to me.

I appreciate your concern for public land conservation and bringing this issue to the forefront, but I believe your understanding of what constitutes sound money is flawed.

You’re right about the wealth transfer. But we elected for people LESS likely to do anything to address that and for the people who received that wealth into power and now expect them, the ones who received the transfer, to fix it? That’s not sound to me.

They were able to successfully take advantage of the situation to make record profits and then were able to scapegoat the government into being the cause for ALL the inflation and then replace said government with. Themselves. First thing they do is pull the ladder up and cut millions of middle class jobs. Not those that work for them. The ones who work for us.

 

[Skerhunter]

For recent stuff. Post Covid there was a substantial risk of two different outcomes. One was too little investment in restarting an economy and having a significant recession or even depression. The other due to supply chain issues as well as providing too much investment and investing in the wrong areas there was the risk of not just inflation but hyper inflation. Meaning wheelbarrows of money to buy goods.

We threaded that needle better than every other economy who was dealing with the same pressures. Our economy grew and bounced back faster and better and the dollar remained strong. We certainly dealt with some inflation but we also grew our economy quickly and bounced back faster than others. Others who had equal or more inflation and slower/weaker economic recovery.

As we will see going forward. Austerity isn’t a guarantee of reduced consumer prices and inflation.

Long term, we’ve managed averages of inflation inline with the growth of our gdp. Through careful management of interest rates as well as proportional spending. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than anyone else? Yes.

Additionally: not all money printing is equal when it comes to inflation or strengthening a currency. Depositing $5000 dollars into every individuals bank account isn’t the same as investing that money into bridges, roads, and technology. Those investments facilitate long term returns on gdp growth.

Funny you mention this - some recent info coming out suggest we have been in a mild recession since 2022. Turns out posting job numbers/ppi/cpi/gdp that aren’t accurate helps keep things looking better than what they actually are, just need to ignore the reports when they get revised 12 months later.

 

[PLhunter]

Your robber barrons/owning someone comments are funny. If I have learned anything in the past 8+ years is that our government (departments/employees) are willing to lie/cheat/steal to get their way/money. That doesn’t sound very Robbin hood like to me?

I see a lot of talk of this but little in the way of tangible examples. The profit over people lifestyle of those in power now is well documented.

 

[TaperPin]

Funny you mention this - some recent info coming out suggest we have been in a mild recession since 2022. Turns out posting job numbers/ppi/cpi/gdp that aren’t accurate helps keep things looking better than what they actually are, just need to ignore the reports when they get revised 12 months later.

That ridiculous - the economy has been going so well anyone who wants a job has one. The idea that a recession was going to happen any day never came and to now claim we were in a recession and just didn’t know it is ridiculous. Just accept the economy has been better than any other country in the entire world and all the whacko stuff and how it is going to effect the economy coming up this year is 100% on Trump.

 

[PLhunter]

Funny you mention this - some recent info coming out suggest we have been in a mild recession since 2022. Turns out posting job numbers/ppi/cpi/gdp that aren’t accurate helps keep things looking better than what they actually are, just need to ignore the reports when they get revised 12 months later.

I’d still say. Relative to the alternative, considering the challenge faced, a mild recession with such a disruption is not a massive L for our economic policy. The numbers also don’t show malicious intent or wildly false numbers. We will get to see what comes of the new economic approach. We will check back.

 

[D S 319]

You’re right about the wealth transfer. But we elected for people LESS likely to do anything to address that and for the people who received that wealth into power and now expect them, the ones who received the transfer, to fix it? That’s not sound to me.

They were able to successfully take advantage of the situation to make record profits and then were able to scapegoat the government into being the cause for ALL the inflation and then replace said government with. Themselves. First thing they do is pull the ladder up and cut millions of middle class jobs. Not those that work for them. The ones who work for us.

Well the government is ultimately the reason for inflation due to the printing of more fiat, right? America is the best at crony capitalism.

 

[Skerhunter]

I’d still say. Relative to the alternative, considering the challenge faced, a mild recession with such a disruption is not a massive L for our economic policy. The numbers also don’t show malicious intent or wildly false numbers. We will get to see what comes of the new economic approach. We will check back.

I agree it’s not a massive loss and could have went worse.

I don’t know how far off the reported numbers need to be before you consider them “false” (not an economic expert)? PPI for my products have been routinely revised 2x+ higher in the past 4 years (example - reported at 2% revised following year to 4+%). I believe job numbers have done the opposite - not sure how you can over estimate the good stuff and under estimate the bad stuff every time (would think they would be better at their jobs or at least get lucky occasionally).

 

[HairyScandinavian]

Asking questions is ok - problem is I don’t think a single person knows what is going to happen. The only sure bet is change is coming (very scary for some). Which I think everyone will agree change is needed - let’s just hope they get more right vs wrong!

Your robber barrons/owning someone comments are funny. If I have learned anything in the past 8+ years is that our government (departments/employees) are willing to lie/cheat/steal to get their way/money. That doesn’t sound very Robbin hood like to me?

The problem is these guys are desperately trying to root our negatives and spewing Democrat talking points straight from the old playbook and rooting for this administration to fail. Same old oh those evil rich people they want to eat your children blah blah. They'd love nothing more than to report back here all the problems and failures, it would make them giddy. Anybody with half a brain knows this government, all of them no matter their letter, needs to stop spending OUR money on waste. Anybody not on board with that is lying to us and themselves trying to push an agenda. Elon is rapidly identifying the most ridiculous wasteful spending but we just hear them crying about how it's illegal and he can't do that. Lmao it's like Idiocracy movie.