Project 2025 and public lands and environment

[elkhunter505]

I've taken a look at the conservation stuff in project 2025. Seemed like pretty standard conservative stuff. Ramp up timber harvests, etc. The Forest Service is gonna have a hard time making that happen with the ongoing layoffs.

Shoot I’d support ramping up timber harvests! Our forests need it bad, but you’re right, there’s going to be no one to do it. Or conduct the prescribed burning for preventing wildfires. With hotshots remaining on, the management of fires has become completely reactionary

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Obviously some of you people don’t know jack shit about civil service. A disabled veteran has 10-point preference when applying for civil service and their active duty military service counts toward civil service retirement. If a civil servant deploys to a war zone they assume the rank of their position. For example a GS-11 assumes the rank of captain or major depending on seniority. How many disabled combat veterans lost their jobs? How many veterans will not be hired? Musk was not born here. He grew up in South Africa in their culture and does not understand our traditions or even our history! To avoid military service, Musk went to Canada! But his partner is a draft dodger anyway!

What does that have to do with spending taxpayer dollars overstaffing the federal workforce?

 

[CJ19]

Obviously some of you people don’t know jack shit about civil service. A disabled veteran has 10-point preference when applying for civil service and their active duty military service counts toward civil service retirement. If a civil servant deploys to a war zone they assume the rank of their position. For example a GS-11 assumes the rank of captain or major depending on seniority. How many disabled combat veterans lost their jobs? How many veterans will not be hired? Musk was not born here. He grew up in South Africa in their culture and does not understand our traditions or even our history! To avoid military service, Musk went to Canada! But his partner is a draft dodger anyway!

at this point what are we even talking about here

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Shoot I’d support ramping up timber harvests! Our forests need it bad, but you’re right, there’s going to be no one to do it. Or conduct the prescribed burning for preventing wildfires. With hotshots remaining on, the management of fires has become completely reactionary

...or it'll still get done anyway because there's actually plenty of of staff.

 

[wyosam]

As public land hunter and user, we have to be skeptical of both sides. On one side you have anti hunter legislation, bans, wolf reintroduction. On the other you have free market, very pro business/rich people, minimal gov’t party. Both can negatively affect us.

I think whatever party is in power, it’s imperative to have hunters stick together. Being divided, highly partisan makes us weak.

That last part is absolute. Don’t discard and demonize people who agree with you on a bunch of stuff, and share a bunch of common interests with, even though you may be on the opposite “side”. That is how we got as screwed as we are. Most people who are actually paying much attention are pretty moderate, and recognize the good and bad ideas/actions on both sides.


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[westsloper]

...or it'll still get done anyway because there's actually plenty of of staff.

There's not plenty of staff. Where are you getting that information?

Even if there were, the parts aren't interchangeable. A forester can't do legally required archeological surveys, and an archeologist can't put together a timber sale contract.

 

[elkhunter505]

There's not plenty of staff. Where are you getting that information?

Even if there were, the parts aren't interchangeable. A forester can't do legally required archeological surveys, and an archeologist can't put together a timber sale contract.

Exactly. My local forest has missed their polygons multiple years due to staffing issues and funding issues. That’s before all these cuts.

 

[fatlander]

That last part is absolute. Don’t discard and demonize people who agree with you on a bunch of stuff, and share a bunch of common interests with, even though you may be on the opposite “side”. That is how we got as screwed as we are. Most people who are actually paying much attention are pretty moderate, and recognize the good and bad ideas/actions on both sides.


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This is the truth. Some of my hunting buddies were discussing the nuances just the other day of right vs left. The best thing we can do is support sporting organizations that put the resource and our rights over the interests of their corporate donors.

There are some non profits that do really great work in the arena of legislative and judicial action for hunters. The absolute best one at the moment is Sportsmen’s Alliance in my opinion. They’ve done more in the last two years than the big organizations have in the last two decades. I’d encourage everyone who is sick of hunting non profits shilling for big corporations that are hell bent on destroying hunting to give them a look. They’ll get the lions share of my charitable donations for the foreseeable future.


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[Gila]

What DOGE is doing has nothing to do with bloat, or over staffing! It’s an excuse, a lie, but then Trump never lies right? They are trying to make the tax cuts permanent. In order to do that they have to raise the debt ceiling, invoke huge tariffs and slash spending. What’s the first thing a corporation does to raise capital? THEY LAYOFF!

 

[ScreamingPotato]

What DOGE is doing has nothing to do with bloat, or over staffing! It’s an excuse, a lie, but then Trump never lies right? They are trying to make the tax cuts permanent. In order to do that they have to raise the debt ceiling, invoke huge tariffs and slash spending. What’s the first thing a corporation does to raise capital? THEY LAYOFF!

 

[wyosam]

I’d like to see a very small amount of public land. I’d rather see the land be returned to the people. I’m not big on government intervention but they could regulate tract sizes and stipulations on development and usage etc. That’s not ideal but it would address some concerns floated around here. I’m from s rural area where there are still a fair amount of smaller farms. The issue here is they tax is to death at the same time the state is buying more public land which increases the tax burden on land owners. Then they put in bullshit regs on logging and usage of that public land. So yes my opinion is if you wanna hunt great buy some land make it your own paradise. I guarantee you’ll take and care for it better than the government which is just a collection of mostly unintelligent money grifters.

That’s probably great in the south. Entirely different issue in the west.


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[elkhunter505]

That’s probably great in the south. Entirely different issue in the west.


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This is a major divide that I have seen personally. My ex’s dad who was from Florida defined the American dream as working hard and buying property and was dumbfounded to see public land when he came hunting with us one time. He was pretty struck by why no one had bought that land. However, my definition of the American dream is different because of where I grew up. There’s different definitions of what public land is. Many from the East think it is terrible hunting land but that’s because they have experienced public land in the East. Tell you what, the small public parcels that I hunted in Ohio where I lived did suck no doubt. Going out and not seeing a person while out on a hunt is something I truly value and that’s what is possible out here in the west.

 

[Ozarkansas]

Shoot I’d support ramping up timber harvests! Our forests need it bad, but you’re right, there’s going to be no one to do it. Or conduct the prescribed burning for preventing wildfires. With hotshots remaining on, the management of fires has become completely reactionary

I’ve heard from some probationary fire personnel that they haven’t gotten laid off, but worryingly it’s in the context of “I was told that all probationary employees were getting fired, but I haven’t gotten fired yet and I don’t know why”. It’s possible there’s some kind of exemption that’s been drafted for them, or it’s just taking time to fire so many people

 

[ScreamingPotato]

I’ve heard from some probationary fire personnel that they haven’t gotten laid off, but worryingly it’s in the context of “I was told that all probationary employees were getting fired, but I haven’t gotten fired yet and I don’t know why”. It’s possible there’s some kind of exemption that’s been drafted for them, or it’s just taking time to fire so many people

Hopefully it's the former and they'll be kept on. I got demonized a few pages ago for saying it's all speculation and "wait and see" and this will hopefully fall under the wait and see and ends up being a nothing burger in many areas.

 

[S.Clancy]

Hopefully it's the former and they'll be kept on. I got demonized a few pages ago for saying it's all speculation and "wait and see" and this will hopefully fall under the wait and see and ends up being a nothing burger in many areas.

Wait, you don't think fire is full of bloat...?

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Wait, you don't think fire is full of bloat...?

I know for a fact the entire federal government is full of bloat and possibly fire too but fire isn't the first thing I'd personally cut. We HAVE to make cuts everywhere though, it's not optional at this point if we care about our kids and grandkids. Also that dude appears to know them personally so I hope they keep their jobs for that reason alone.

 

[Ozarkansas]

Hopefully it's the former and they'll be kept on. I got demonized a few pages ago for saying it's all speculation and "wait and see" and this will hopefully fall under the wait and see and ends up being a nothing burger in many areas.

Since the guys themselves are still hearing that all probationary employees are fired, I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet. I’d hope that any cuts that are made come after identifying areas that can sustain cuts, but that’s not what I’m hearing.

Also, I think that “wait and see” still involves talking and planning for contingencies, like what’s happening in this thread. It’s not like I’m going to protests at this stage, I’m just voicing my concern regarding potential impacts.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Since the guys themselves are still hearing that all probationary employees are fired, I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet. I’d hope that any cuts that are made come after identifying areas that can sustain cuts, but that’s not what I’m hearing.

Also, I think that “wait and see” still involves talking and planning for contingencies, like what’s happening in this thread. It’s not like I’m going to protests at this stage, I’m just voicing my concern regarding potential impacts.

There's still a lot of confusion. A lot of people I do business with have been discussing the same thing and OPM is still trickling guidance down through DoD in their areas, nobody really can say exactly what's what at this point. I think there's also a good bit of back and forth and fighting on the upper levels about who and where to make cuts which is good. This is a huge nut to crack so it's gonna take quite some time for the dust to settle and see how it settles out. Nobody can get comfortable yet though as I'm sure there's going to be phases. Agree with you about planning contingencies especially for those directly affected, but I think it's too soon to get out the pitchforks and start threads freaking out about what *might* happen because anything can happen at this point. I think a lot of that stems from people simply hating on Trump and looking to demonize anything he does and they're jumping the gun.

 

[Gila]

NWS is celebrating this coming Monday as Washington’s Birthday. Sweet revenge, I luv it! LOOOLLL

 

[PLhunter]

Here's a fun fact too. My buddy works for Dept of Energy, electrical engineer, directly responsible for portions of The Grid.

Several electrical engineers in his group (MT, ND, SD) got fired, along with electricians, lineman, etc. A few hrs later an email went out that they mistakenly fired some. Because of the security clearances, they were rehired and placed on Admin Leave indefinitely until the clearances are regained.

Happy Saturday

Best and brightest…. Its incompetence. He’s not a genius and his tween army are just sycophants. It’s in full display.

I cannot imagine what the rooms of foreign intelligence offices look like under a black light after this whole debacle resulted in unvetted access to our systems. See them from space.