Powders Recommendations for Light 6.5 Creedmoor Loads

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My wife just had rotator cuff surgery a couple months back and as I look toward next fall, I'm concerned that she may not be comfortable shooting full power 6.5 Creedmoor loads out of her 5lb 10oz Howa Superlite. As such I'm considering developing a lighter load more on par with a 6.5 Grendel for use deer hunting. We hunt in the dense woods of Northern New England so max range is 100-150 yards; as such retained velocity and trajectory aren't much of a concern.

Currently I use 129gr Hornady Interlocks over 42.5gr H4350.

The only recommended powder I've found is H4895 loaded to 60% of max. It is however nearly $70/lb currently. Are there any other good options which I should be aware of?
 
Hodgdon reloading website has reduced loads for 6.5 creedmore

Not a reduced load per se, but I used 6.5 stable and the 123 SST (123sst designed for Grendel) at the lower end of the loads with great success. Longest shot I took 120 yds no tracking. Closest 50 yds he ran 20 yds
 
When we first got our 6.5cm back in the summer I took some range pickup brass (believed to be 1x; no resizing marks on the cases when picked up) and made some lighter loads with IMR4895 (a close analog to H4895, but not exact) just to introudce the kids to it and to burn up what was left of some Nosler 123CCs from an old project. I used 38.0 grains.

Fast forward to last week and, piggybacking on what I'd learned with that load, I loaded up some 130ELDMs (also left over, from a different project) with 38.5 grains of IMR4895. I didn't have published data for either of those but put them together based on Gordon's Reloading Tool model predictions, which are generally accurate enough to be useful if you approach them carefully. Don't plug in some faster powder and go straight to a max load. Terrible idea guaranteed to eventually blow a primer when you least expect it. But I'd already worked with the IMR4895 with the 123 grain bullets and knew what to expect and also knew that the Tikka we're shooting has a long throat and that I'd be seating the ELDMs long, which reduces pressures.

I ended up with the 130eldm seated to the same length as my 147 load (~2.93") and they chronograph 2700' and hit to POI (or within less than 1/2moa of POI) of the 147 load at 225 yards which means they'll almost certainly be within 1 click of the 147 load out to 400 yards or further.

I shot a bobcat with this 130 load earlier this week. With scope turned up to 10x in very low light I was still very easily (with a 10# rifle) able to watch my impact on him from 75 yards and watch it fall over dead.

My regular 147ELDM load for this rifle shows a recoil figure of about 11.2ft/lbs. This load is right at 9.4ft/lbs, a very significant reduction, down near what you'd expect from .243 or 6CM type stuff.

If you wanted to go even lower, once upon a time IMR published data for a lot of typical centerfire cartridges using IMR4227 or IMR3031 or SR4759 or IMR4064 or IMR4320 and as a general rule, if you have any of those powders, the faster you go on the burn-rate chart, the less recoil it takes to produce a given velocity.

I have used IMR4227 to make some very light recoiling loads, just to prove that I could do it, I guess, with various calibers. You just have to be VERY careful with weighing your powder; when you're trying to stuff 45+ grains into a 6.5cm sized case an error of a single grain is difficult (because the case is near full) and insignificant in terms of safety. But when you're using maybe 30 grains of a much faster powder, a single additional grain could very easily cause a blown primer or worse.

Point being, you can do a ton of reduced loads with faster powders, but there's an extra level of care needed in load workup and assembly.

You could probably reduce your H4350 load by a grain or two. I'm saying that based on theory, not experience, and don't know how low you'd go before you started seeing erratic performance. Most powders seem to have some minimum pressure level where they work best in terms of SD and I don't know where that is for H4350 and don't know what to tell you there.

If I were you I'd look hard at IMR4895 or H4895 and also read through the reduced load data that Hodgdon publishes. But if you have any IMR4227 laying around (I don't even know that they make it anymore, my cans are likely as old as I am, picked up used but unopened long ago), it would be perfect, IMO.

TLDR: What other powders do you have on hand? If you don't like the price of H4895, what do you have on hand, or what can you get that's similar in speed to H4895 that's cheaper? And does $70 really even matter after paying for rotator cuff surgery?
 
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Here is Hodgdons 6.5cm reduced recoil data for 2026.
Consider substituting the 123/120 eldm or the 107tmk with one of the powder charges above with good case fill.
 
If you aren’t opposed to monos Hammer has some really light options. Load them to a moderate speed and you’ll have a bunch less recoil.


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Wow, so much great info; Thanks all!

I've pulled my load parameters with 129g and H4350 from Sierra (thus the 42.5 charge). Looking again at Hodgdon's data, they give a starting load of 35.2gr (and a max of only 39.2) at ~2400fps. I may just give that starting load a try. This would be in line with @OverInfinite's suggestion. Has anyone loaded the 6.5 down to these ranges?

@Chris in TN - Thanks for all the info there! H4350 is currently the only thing I have on hand since the 6.5 is all I'm currently loading for with good results. And indeed in the grand scheme of things, I'll likely get a pound of H4895 to work with. Especially since I'll be inheriting and loading for my grandpa's old Savage 99 in 300 Savage.

@43.6N -Excellent chart and thanks for sharing!

@06 SB - Not at all a derail! Yeah that's definitely an option for next year. I actually just put a Howa Mini together in .223 for the kids to deer hunt with (and me too of course), so if down loading isn't sufficient or is at all uncomfortable , I'm sure that'll be the best option for her.

@wyosam - Def. not opposed to monos. I've taken deer with 95gr TTSX out of a 6.8spc with excellent results. I might have to explore the light-for caliber options a bit more!
 
Not sure what prices are like there, but you could take a look at the Vihtavuori line. They list reduced loads for both N150 and N140. The N140 can serve a dual purpose and also be used for .223 loading.
Pricing and availability is definitely better than a lot of other powders for us Canadians. My 6.5 loves the N555.
 
I try the 100gr barnes ttsx. I've used the 95 vmax and 90 varmegedon as well. Vmax is a little tougher. All 3 should recoil less than a 140gr. Put a braked can on it as well, if you can.
Yeah I might explore that route, especially if a lighter powder load behind the 129gr is still too much.

@Frozenlead - Thanks for the powder reference! I hadn't seen that line before. Shoot, I only, live 1mile from Canada and could source it there if purchase and import laws weren't what they are. Looks like it's about $55/lb stateside.
 
Yeah I might explore that route, especially if a lighter powder load behind the 129gr is still too much.

@Frozenlead - Thanks for the powder reference! I hadn't seen that line before. Shoot, I only, live 1mile from Canada and could source it there if purchase and import laws weren't what they are. Looks like it's about $55/lb stateside.
Oh, the 123 sst is tougher and designed for grendel speeds, the 129 is a creed bullet, designed to be pushed a little harder.
 
Drop down to a ~120 gr bullet instead of the more popular ~140 for the caliber and it will have less felt recoil.

A ~120 Interlock soft point or SST will put deer down in the northeast.
 
The 100 grain ballistic tip kills very well and really reduces recoil.
Ooh that's a good option! Would you suggest a full load with that or a lighter powder load. I know those get pretty explosive at higher speeds. My brother has used them out of his 270 for years. That's one thing I've enjoyed with the interlock at moderate 6.5 speeds; they open up well and put deer down quickly but aren't explosive. The short for caliber bullet really wouldn't be an issue around here since nothing is over 200 yards. I'm assuming that'd be very similar to a 243 recoil wise.
 
Drop down to a ~120 gr bullet instead of the more popular ~140 for the caliber and it will have less felt recoil.

A ~120 Interlock soft point or SST will put deer down in the northeast.
Yeah I've been very happy with the 129gr interlocks around here. I may check out the lighter sst. I used to use those out of a 30-06 with good, if somewhat explosive, results.
 
Drop down a couple weights in bullet. 100 grain range, more than enough for deer. Look into something along the lines of Varget or TAC for powder, I don't have my info on me but off the top of my head i want to say something in the 36 or 35 grain range as a safe starting point (verify etc, etc.). Faster burner, but load a grain or 2 under max. Something along those lines would be a pretty drastic drop in actual recoil. (probably 35-40% off the top of my head).

If your not concerned with speed, you could just load something like Varget with your 129gr also, off the cuff its probably like 33 grains or so as a starting point. Not quite as big of a recoil delta as shooting the 100grain, but it would still be significant maybe 25% ish....

Another option, put a higher quality butt pad on the stock. Like a backstop, or limbsaver. It will help with felt recoil. Its hard to quantify, but something in your recoil range (fairly high but not magnum) it feels something like 25% reduction to me, but that's pretty individualistic.

Option 4, get some dang weight on that gun. That thing is waaaayyyy to skinny.
 
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