Powders Recommendations for Light 6.5 Creedmoor Loads

Drop down a couple weights in bullet. 100 grain range, more than enough for deer. Look into something along the lines of Varget or TAC for powder, I don't have my info on me but off the top of my head i want to say something in the 36 or 35 grain range as a safe starting point (verify etc, etc.). Faster burner, but load a grain or 2 under max. Something along those lines would be a pretty drastic drop in actual recoil. (probably 35-40% off the top of my head).

If your not concerned with speed, you could just load something like Varget with your 129gr also, off the cuff its probably like 33 grains or so as a starting point. Not quite as big of a recoil delta as shooting the 100grain, but it would still be significant maybe 25% ish....

Another option, put a higher quality butt pad on the stock. Like a backstop, or limbsaver. It will help with felt recoil. Its hard to quantify, but something in your recoil range (fairly high but not magnum) it feels something like 25% reduction to me, but that's pretty individualistic.

Option 4, get some dang weight on that gun. That thing is waaaayyyy to skinny.
Great data points on the ~100gr loads. I think I might check out that route.

Thankfully the Howa Superlite already comes with a limbsaver. It's only a 1/2", but very effective. The stock design is also really good at managing recoil. I actually enjoy shooting her's more than my 6oz heavier Kimber Hunter. And yes, it's very light! We use the rifles for snow tracking deer in New England so it's carried in hand for hours on end; light keeps the arms fresh for when an opportunity arises...especially for my 5'4" wife.

BTW, welcome to Rokslide!
 
Ooh that's a good option! Would you suggest a full load with that or a lighter powder load. I know those get pretty explosive at higher speeds. My brother has used them out of his 270 for years. That's one thing I've enjoyed with the interlock at moderate 6.5 speeds; they open up well and put deer down quickly but aren't explosive. The short for caliber bullet really wouldn't be an issue around here since nothing is over 200 yards. I'm assuming that'd be very similar to a 243 recoil wise.
I have only used them at full throttle, and found them ideal for pigs and deer, but dropping a couple of hundred fps would probably make them even more pleasant
 
@06 SB - Not at all a derail! Yeah that's definitely an option for next year. I actually just put a Howa Mini together in .223 for the kids to deer hunt with (and me too of course), so if down loading isn't sufficient or is at all uncomfortable , I'm sure that'll be the best option for her.
If this is the case, just go .223/556. No way you’re going to get that reduced load feeling like a .223/556. I have one of my suppressed gas guns that’s properly tuned feeling like a rim fire. It’s very fun to shoot.
 
H4895 is the classic reduced load powder - Google "H4895 reduced loads" you can reduce down to around 60% of max load (don't quote me, double check). I've worked "down" a really light load with 120 NBTs. Going to 100 NBTs would make a bigger difference.
 
H4895 is the classic reduced load powder - Google "H4895 reduced loads" you can reduce down to around 60% of max load (don't quote me, double check). I've worked "down" a really light load with 120 NBTs. Going to 100 NBTs would make a bigger difference.
Sounds like I should just get a pound of it and carry on. I'm a bit of a novice with reloading, but I'm assuming that has something to do with reliable ignition at lower case capacity?
 
Sounds like I should just get a pound of it and carry on. I'm a bit of a novice with reloading, but I'm assuming that has something to do with reliable ignition at lower case capacity?
4895 is a relatively faster burning powder by rifle standards and makes more pressure than most bottlenecked cases can handle, if loaded to a full case, but does really well in terms of consistent ignition and velocity, in most cases, if loaded to the level that gives safe pressures. It is probably at its best in cases like the .223 and a bit fast for bigger cases and a bit slow for smaller cases (speaking in overly generalized terms of course - the real issue isn't case size, it's the expansion ratio).

There's nothing magic about it - most powders have a range of pressures in which they'll ignite consistently. H4895 just happens to do so in a range that lets it be really useful for reduced loadings. I have used IMR4895 in a similar fashion and while Hodgdon recommends against it, I suspect that's more due to a lack of data, than any actual shortcoming with the powder itself. Also, my 'reduced' loads aren't at the ~60% level people refer to for H4895. My main use case for 4895 is only 'reduced' in the sense that they're less than maximum loads in an effort to get, say, 90+% of the performance of any given caliber with 80% of the recoil, which is a trick you can do with a lot of calibers in order to move yourself around on the performance-to-recoil scale.

When I was a kid my grandpa let me shoot a ton of his old surplus .30-06 ball ammo and when he 'sold' me that rifle he also loaded me a bunch of ammo with, IIRC, either 49 or 49.5 grains of 4895 (don't remember H or IMR) and a Sierra 150 grain Gameking. I killed my first couple of deer with those slightly reduced loads. They didn't seem to notice the reduction, and thus I got a lesson in recoil that took another couple of decades to begin to properly sink in.
 
on a sidenote, my wife uses a howa mini in 6.5 grendel and it has hardly any recoil.she is 3 for 3 on killing deer with it.farthest shot so far has been 180 yds it puts them down
 
If your looking for a slightly less expensive powder I’ve had really good luck with Staball 6.5 in my 25 creed. Not sure if you’re willing to mess with ball powders or not.
 
Every man needs a box of cast trail boss loads laying around for his favorite rifle.

Definitely not what I would hunt with. They are usually below 1000 fps in any rifle. Holy hell they are fun, and the bigger the rifle the more fun they are. A 375 h&h with 200gr cast bullets over a case full of trail boss is stupidly fun.
 
on a sidenote, my wife uses a howa mini in 6.5 grendel and it has hardly any recoil.she is 3 for 3 on killing deer with it.farthest shot so far has been 180 yds it puts them down
Yeah I know the Grendel is a great deer cartridge; I had actually explored that route last year in a Mini (I just build the .223 Mini)...but went with the Superlite Creedmoor for better one hand carry and simpler ammo supply. That said, knowing the Grendel is more than sufficient gives confidence to substantially download the Creed.
 
If your looking for a slightly less expensive powder I’ve had really good luck with Staball 6.5 in my 25 creed. Not sure if you’re willing to mess with ball powders or not.
I did notice the Staball line being a fair bit cheaper (mid $40s around here). I've also seen plenty of load data available at different bullet weights. Novice question; what are the downsides of ball powder?
 
4895 is a relatively faster burning powder by rifle standards and makes more pressure than most bottlenecked cases can handle, if loaded to a full case, but does really well in terms of consistent ignition and velocity, in most cases, if loaded to the level that gives safe pressures. It is probably at its best in cases like the .223 and a bit fast for bigger cases and a bit slow for smaller cases (speaking in overly generalized terms of course - the real issue isn't case size, it's the expansion ratio).

There's nothing magic about it - most powders have a range of pressures in which they'll ignite consistently. H4895 just happens to do so in a range that lets it be really useful for reduced loadings. I have used IMR4895 in a similar fashion and while Hodgdon recommends against it, I suspect that's more due to a lack of data, than any actual shortcoming with the powder itself. Also, my 'reduced' loads aren't at the ~60% level people refer to for H4895. My main use case for 4895 is only 'reduced' in the sense that they're less than maximum loads in an effort to get, say, 90+% of the performance of any given caliber with 80% of the recoil, which is a trick you can do with a lot of calibers in order to move yourself around on the performance-to-recoil scale.

When I was a kid my grandpa let me shoot a ton of his old surplus .30-06 ball ammo and when he 'sold' me that rifle he also loaded me a bunch of ammo with, IIRC, either 49 or 49.5 grains of 4895 (don't remember H or IMR) and a Sierra 150 grain Gameking. I killed my first couple of deer with those slightly reduced loads. They didn't seem to notice the reduction, and thus I got a lesson in recoil that took another couple of decades to begin to properly sink in.
Thanks for the tutorial on powders! Again I'm pretty new to this all and my loading volume has been rather low. Thinking through that balance of performance vs. recoil is helpful.

And yes, I remember getting scoped a few times with my 06' as a teenager...that on top of a blue shoulder and a sore cheekbone anytime we went to the range. Glad the trend it much more beginner friendly these days!...and glad I haven't still been slugging around an 06' for the past 12 years.
 
I had some IMR4064 left over from a 308 I decided to use up in a 6.5cm for giggles with a 140 eldm. I don’t remember the load data now but it was a significant difference in recoil just dropping to that powder from h4350, couple it with a lighter bullet and it would be even better. I’m sure it’s not down to grendel recoil levels with the 140 loads I was shooting but they were enough of a decrease in recoil to really notice, obviously a loss in velocity came with that. The best part is the accuracy was still there with that load though and it was a pleasure to shoot all day on the range.
 
I made a reduced load for my wife to shoot in the 6.5. Used 38 grains of 4895 with 100gr ELDM’s. With my 20” barrel, MV was 2775. Recoil was noticeably lighter than the 130’s I have loaded.
 
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