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[gtriple]

For those of you not seeing the light yet please take a minute to read and consider the info below from just the State of Wyoming. This problem exists in all Western States...

There are 167,938 nonresidents holding elk preference points in Wyoming. There are just over 7000 tags issued to nonresidents each fall.

There are 151,417 nonresidents holding antelope preference points in Wyoming. There are just over 6000 tags being issued to nonresidents this year.

There are 144,720 nonresidents holding deer preference points in Wyoming. There are only about 1500 LQ deer permits available for non-residents. There are more region tags but it is challenging to find the exact number quickly.

There are 36,044 nonresidents holding moose preference points in Wyoming. There are under 50 total permits available for nonresidents.

There are 27,965 nonresidents holding big horn sheep preference points in Wyoming. There are under 50 total permits available to nonresidents.

The bottom line- there isn't anywhere remotely close to enough supply to meet the current demand. Making it easy for new people to join in the problem hurts everyone- including the new guys in the long run.

So, what's your solution?

 

[Laramie]

If it wasn't for Meateater, Randy Newberg, and GoHunt, I wouldn't be a western hunter. I wouldn't be applying in every single western state for nearly every species and those wildlife management departments would not have my thousands of dollars a year. I wouldn't be a member of RMEF (lifetime), Boone & Crockett (lifetime), Pope & Young, BHA, and WSF, with intentions to join others. I wouldn't participate in every Howl for Wildlife opportunity. I would never have even joined Rokslide.

Be angry all you want that more people are hunting now than ever before... but without more hunters, the anti-hunters will eventually win this war.

By all means help recruit new hunters but teach them to hunt in their own backyard. Almost every state has great local opportunities. Waterfowl hunting is fantastic just about everywhere. Small game hunting is fantastic as well. Most states have easy to obtain whitetail tags as well...

I don't mind the guys who put the work in to hunt out west. I get it. However, those guys who brought you out west are simply getting rich by ruining it for everyone.

 

[Laramie]

So, what's your solution?

There isn't a quick solution and it will never return to the good old days. However, we can delay the inevitable by stopping the wide open recruitment of new to the west hunters. I think a good percentage of those holding preference points will drop out before they ever hunt. Many of them had dreams of hunting LQ elk tags every 5-10 years or hunting general tags every 3 or 4 years. When they realize it may be 20+ years to draw that LQ tag or 10+ years to draw the general tag, many will give up. The problem is they will be replaced by new hunters believing the same thing if we don't change the recruitment.

 

[SDHNTR]

For those of you not seeing the light yet please take a minute to read and consider the info below from just the State of Wyoming. This problem exists in all Western States...

There are 167,938 nonresidents holding elk preference points in Wyoming. There are just over 7000 tags issued to nonresidents each fall.

There are 151,417 nonresidents holding antelope preference points in Wyoming. There are just over 6000 tags being issued to nonresidents this year.

There are 144,720 nonresidents holding deer preference points in Wyoming. There are only about 1500 LQ deer permits available for non-residents. There are more region tags but it is challenging to find the exact number quickly.

There are 36,044 nonresidents holding moose preference points in Wyoming. There are under 50 total permits available for nonresidents.

There are 27,965 nonresidents holding big horn sheep preference points in Wyoming. There are under 50 total permits available to nonresidents.

The bottom line- there isn't anywhere remotely close to enough supply to meet the current demand. Making it easy for new people to join in the problem hurts everyone- including the new guys in the long run.

Damn right! Good post.

 

[gtriple]

By all means help recruit new hunters but teach them to hunt in their own backyard. Almost every state has great local opportunities. Waterfowl hunting is fantastic just about everywhere. Small game hunting is fantastic as well. Most states have easy to obtain whitetail tags as well...

I don't mind the guys who put the work in to hunt out west. I get it. However, those guys who brought you out west are simply getting rich by ruining it for everyone.

Ruining it for everyone? Or just for you?

It's amazing the divisiveness that exists within the hunting community. Preaching bringing along new hunters but then not wanting to actually share the opportunities. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

FYI - I own a large hunting and fishing property in my own state, and we have a free hunting club. All that we ask is that you come participate on workdays a few weekends a year. Can we allow everyone to hunt on it or even allow all members to fill all their tags? No, the population just can't take it. But I don't harvest any more animals than anybody else.

Y'all keep on telling non-residents to stay off your lawn. But don't forget where these game departments get the financial resources to better manage their game. And don't forget as the anti-hunters move into your states and come knocking to cancel your hunting who will also be there fighting alongside you.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Those 20 point units were not always 20 points.
They got that way because of blabber mouths.

 

[cnelk]

Here's a snipet a friend of mine made for Colorado I grabbed from another site.

I hope the light is getting brighter for some

 

[SDHNTR]

If it wasn't for Meateater, Randy Newberg, and GoHunt, I wouldn't be a western hunter. I wouldn't be applying in every single western state for nearly every species and those wildlife management departments would not have my thousands of dollars a year. I wouldn't be a member of RMEF (lifetime), Boone & Crockett (lifetime), Pope & Young, BHA, and WSF, with intentions to join others. I wouldn't participate in every Howl for Wildlife opportunity. I would never have even joined Rokslide.

Be angry all you want that more people are hunting now than ever before... but without more hunters, the anti-hunters will eventually win this war.

That used to be a valid argument. It’s not anymore. We have more people than we need now. The stadium is full, no more seats. It’s harsh, and I don’t mean to sound like a jerk, but if someone needs Meateater, Newber and GoHunt to figure it out, they don’t want it bad enough. They took a shortcut. They hit the easy button. We don’t need more easy buttons.

I’ll tell you the solution…. There’s an easy place to start…. Paper applications and no credit cards. I’m not even old, but I remember having to do this, and the hunting and the odds were a hell of a lot better! We may not be able to stop the Newbergs and similar jackassery, but we should be able to make people earn it, go through a little trouble and stop people from applying with money they don’t have.

 

[goathunter]

This is the standard Rokslide has implemented

Now unfortunately we aren't letting FNG's (new guys) post up unit specific questions. Any unit question/answers remain out in the world wide webs forever, which can doom some really great spots.

Rokslide's administrations expectation is that all long standing Rokslide members will understand and support this concept and take all such conversations to private message.

Yes it's a hassle to join and be part of this community but the rewards are worth the effort including the ability to send and receive private messages.



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That's awesome, I didn't know that. Great job rokslide staff. Are the unit numbers edited out? I'd like to see all old posts have the unit numbers x-ed out.

 

[Marbles]

Unfortunately not all FNG are technically FNG. The OP of this thread has been a member here since 2018. Just because he doesn't participate every day doesn't make him less of a member.

So I don't buy in to the whole FNG versus WKR getting more influence or benefits when it comes to threads asking for help. We all needed help at one point or another. Bringing up old threads to ask the OP how they did isn't the end of the world. Sometimes it's nice to see if they were successful or not since they were given help.

That's just me.

It is not hard to create an account and let it sit. If someone does not post, how do you suggest tracking participation? Should the site track time spent actively reading the form and requirer 100 hours? To insure it is active reading, time only counts for 1 minute, then someone must scroll are click to start adding time again? How to make sure a bot is not scrolling? While not perfect, it is easier to jusge the quality of posts (how the 2 year old scam account got identified).

There was a 2 year old scam account a while back.

Also, technically FNG is defined by post count on this form. For example, the OP is technically an FNG, though he may have spent more time lurking around the form than many WKRs and be a DADDY in spirit.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

So, what's your solution?

Less mass promotion of hunting via social media.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Ruining it for everyone? Or just for you?

It's amazing the divisiveness that exists within the hunting community. Preaching bringing along new hunters but then not wanting to actually share the opportunities. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

FYI - I own a large hunting and fishing property in my own state, and we have a free hunting club. All that we ask is that you come participate on workdays a few weekends a year. Can we allow everyone to hunt on it or even allow all members to fill all their tags? No, the population just can't take it. But I don't harvest any more animals than anybody else.

Y'all keep on telling non-residents to stay off your lawn. But don't forget where these game departments get the financial resources to better manage their game. And don't forget as the anti-hunters move into your states and come knocking to cancel your hunting who will also be there fighting alongside you.

I’m with Laramie on this. I hope this never happens to you, sounds like you are a stand up guy letting people hunt on your property, but entertain the idea that you are a born and raised resident of a Rocky Mountain state, you worked your butt off bought a ranch and now tags for both deer and elk have gone from OTC to draw only to such point creep you can’t get a landowner tag every year…. Would you be just as happy and stoked if you couldn’t hunt deer or turkeys on your private property in your home state? I doubt it. That might become a reality when opportunity dries up in the west guys will look for other spots, just hope it’s not your back yard

 

[WKR]

If it wasn't for Meateater, Randy Newberg, and GoHunt, I wouldn't be a western hunter. I wouldn't be applying in every single western state for nearly every species and those wildlife management departments would not have my thousands of dollars a year. I wouldn't be a member of RMEF (lifetime), Boone & Crockett (lifetime), Pope & Young, BHA, and WSF, with intentions to join others. I wouldn't participate in every Howl for Wildlife opportunity. I would never have even joined Rokslide.

Be angry all you want that more people are hunting now than ever before... but without more hunters, the anti-hunters will eventually win this war.

The biggest threat is not the anti's. The biggest threat is the so called influencers pimping out the public lands and their resources. Eventually it will become a pay to play European style model and you can thank the people you mentioned in your post for that. You probably don't realize any of this and aren't aware of the damage they are causing.

Most people just think of the here and now and don't care about the future.

 

[SuperDUECE22]

I’ll tell you the solution…. There’s an easy place to start…. Paper applications and no credit cards. I’m not even old, but I remember having to do this, and the hunting and the odds were a hell of a lot better! We may not be able to stop the Newbergs and similar jackassery, but we should be able to stop people from applying with money they don’t have.

Doesn't feel that long ago that we had to go the bank and get a cashier's check to include with our Montana paper application. Wonder how many guys would still apply for all species in New mexico if they had to include a $8000+ cashier's check.

 

[gtriple]

I’m with Laramie on this. I hope this never happens to you, sounds like you are a stand up guy letting people hunt on your property, but entertain the idea that you are a born and raised resident of a Rocky Mountain state, you worked your butt off bought a ranch and now tags for both deer and elk have gone from OTC to draw only to such point creep you can’t get a landowner tag every year…. Would you be just as happy and stoked if you couldn’t hunt deer or turkeys on your private property in your home state? I doubt it. That might become a reality when opportunity dries up in the west guys will look for other spots, just hope it’s not your back yard

In my lifetime, I've gone from unlimited whitetail tags to 5. And it's about to be reduced further. Similar situation with turkeys.

 

[Hnthrdr]

In my lifetime, I've gone from unlimited whitetail tags to 5. And it's about to be reduced further. Similar situation with turkeys.

Sounds like you are experiencing some of the same I hope you could have some empathy for western’s, 5 is still a ton though man. It’s hard to imagine 0…. Till it smacks you in the face and you have 0 tags for home, btw this is Co not like it’s AZ or UT on a trophy unit…

 

[gtriple]

Sounds like you are experiencing some of the same I hope you could have some empathy for western’s, 5 is still a ton though man. It’s hard to imagine 0…. Till it smacks you in the face and you have 0 tags for home, btw this is Co not like it’s AZ or UT on a trophy unit…

I'm empathetic if you've purchased property and now you can't hunt on your own property. But this is not private land we are talking about. It is public land.

 

[BBob]

In my lifetime I’ve gone from hunting archery elk practically every year in either AZ or NM to haven’t drawn NM in over 15 years and working on 8 in AZ. I’m not applying for the hardest to draw units either. Yes I could apply for some easier to draw units but I choose to try for a bit better quality hunt.

Now days drawing a Coues tag takes some thought and strategy to guarantee you have a tag every year.

We could archery hunt the Kiabab and Strip over the counter every year unlimited. Out of state outfitters and their promotion crushed that. Look where it’s at now. It takes a lifetime of applications to draw unless you get really really lucky.

I could go on…..

 

[gtriple]

In my lifetime I’ve gone from hunting archery elk practically every year in either AZ or NM to haven’t drawn NM in over 15 years and working on 8 in AZ. I’m not applying for the hardest to draw units either. Yes I could apply for some easier to draw units but I choose to try for a bit better quality hunt.

Now days drawing a Coues tag takes some thought and strategy to guarantee you have a tag every year.

We could archery hunt the Kiabab and Strip over the counter every year unlimited. Out of state outfitters and their promotion crushed that. Look where it’s at now. It takes a lifetime of applications to draw unless you get really really lucky.

I could go on…..

And the people that were there before you could hunt whenever they needed to without any regulations from government. Rinse and repeat, every generation complains that the "next generation" is ruining things.

I could go on.....

 

[Hnthrdr]

I'm empathetic if you've purchased property and now you can't hunt on your own property. But this is not private land we are talking about. It is public land.

I have only ever hunted public land. But it is My states resource. I’m a Coloradan, but I respect the heck out of wyo for changing their quotas. I don’t mind waiting extra years to hunt up there and think it’s low to gripe about taking opportunities from locals… and then tell them to just deal with it. Living here year round and then not getting to hunt deer is a slap in the face.