Possible for LPVO to be out of phase?

Sbird2019

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Is it possible for an LPVO to be out of phase like binoculars can be, or has anyone else had this same experience?

I have a vortex razor gen II E model 1-6x mounted in a high quality mount and properly adjusted for length of pull and eye relief

I have relentlessly adjusted the diopter on the rear of the optic trying to get it to focus correctly to my eye and produce a clear image that is relatively flat and as close to 1x as possible.

I know some fisheye effect is to be expected even with a quality LPVO and Razors rarely have a true 1x (it’s more like 0.8x), but for the life of me, I cannot get a clear image at all. It’s just every so slightly blurry / hazy and nothing seems to help

Everywhere else I look, you’d think it was the second coming, and the tips on diopter adjustment haven’t helped
 
That may actually be a very real contributing factor. I reckon it’s been about 10 years since last going to get my eyes checked. Overdue to say the least

I originally adjusted the diopter outside looking at a blue sky and letting my eyes rest between adjustments until I got a crisp reticle. Then I went back inside to change up the diopter settings whilst looking at known objects so that I’d know if I was close to a true 1x size or not.

Reticle remains clear, but everything else in the glass around it is blurry
 
And when you take it under 50 yards, you are still getting a 1x-ish sight picture with minimal fisheye effect?
 
Have you reached out to Vortex? Can get an answer and even an RMA in short order if needed.
I haven’t yet, as I’d like to exhaust all possible efforts to prove definitively that it’s not just me being an idiot. Unfortunately, Occam’s Razor generally applies there

If my issues persist, I’ll definitely be reaching out to them. I want to love the optic, but so far, I haven’t been too impressed
 
I haven’t yet, as I’d like to exhaust all possible efforts to prove definitively that it’s not just me being an idiot. Unfortunately, Occam’s Razor generally applies there

If my issues persist, I’ll definitely be reaching out to them. I want to love the optic, but so far, I haven’t been too impressed

Double check the steps from Vortex's site (I posted them below for you) and if you've done them, call Vortex Support or don't.


Why won’t my riflescope properly focus?​

  1. Shooting at a target too close. Verify your particular riflescope’s parallax focusing capability. For example, a riflescope with fixed 100-yard parallax or 50 to infinity parallax may have some distortion when shooting at 10 or 25 yards, because the target is too close for the rifle’s focusing capability.
  2. Mirage is a heatwave-like distortion that may cause significant distortion on targets at a long distance. It can occur in a variety of different temperature patterns but will be most noticed when shooting at extended distances with a high-magnification riflescope. Sometimes backing off the magnification can help alleviate this issue.
  3. Barrel or Suppressor Mirage. This effect is similar to mirage observed downrange but originates from the barrel or suppressor getting hot after several rounds have been fired. The shooter can alleviate this by letting the rifle cool or installing an anti-mirage suppressor shield/ barrel mirage band.

How do I properly focus my riflescope?​

Adjust the reticle focus.

Note: If the scope is a fixed power unit, skip steps 1 and 2.

  1. Turn the magnification ring to the highest power.
  2. Turn the parallax focus to ‘Infinity’. Note: Side focus parallax adjustment knobs mar or many not have distances marked.
  3. Turn the ocular bell/eyepiece all the way in.
  4. Aim the scope at a blank white wall or up at the sky with no cloud coverage.
  5. Look at something nearby, then look at the reticle through the scope. If the reticle is out-of-focus, turn it slightly to begin focusing the reticle but look away from the scope. Make sure to look away from the reticle after a few seconds to ensure your eye doesn’t naturally try to bring the reticle into focus. You want to look through the scope and see a sharply focused reticle immediately with your eye relaxed.
  6. Once this adjustment is complete, it won’t be necessary to re-focus every time you use the riflescope. However, as eyesight may change over time, we recommend re-checking this adjustment periodically
  7. Only complete this step if your riflescope has a side focus parallax adjustment or adjustable objective (AO) feature. These riflescopes feature a separate focus which should be used to fine-tune the image focus. When the image is sharply focused, parallax error will also be eliminated.
    1. Be sure the reticle is correctly focused.
    2. Turn the side focus knob or AO until the target image is as sharp as possible. The yardage numbers referenced should somewhat match the actual yardage to the target, but keep in mind these are not exact and are more of a guideline than a concrete reference point.
    3. Check for parallax error by moving your head back and forth while looking through the scope. The focus is correct if there is no apparent shift of the reticle on the target. If you notice any shift, adjust the focus knob slightly until all shift is eliminated.
Warning: Looking directly at the sun through a riflescope, or any optical instrument can cause severe and permanent damage to your eyesight.

Over-tightened rings can restrict movement of the parallax cell and cause the parallax knob to turn hard or not even change the focus of the image at all. We recommend 15-18 inch pounds on most ring sets, but please feel free to call and ask if you have questions about your specific rings.
 
Double check the steps from Vortex's site (I posted them below for you) and if you've done them, call Vortex Support or don't.


Why won’t my riflescope properly focus?​

  1. Shooting at a target too close. Verify your particular riflescope’s parallax focusing capability. For example, a riflescope with fixed 100-yard parallax or 50 to infinity parallax may have some distortion when shooting at 10 or 25 yards, because the target is too close for the rifle’s focusing capability.
  2. Mirage is a heatwave-like distortion that may cause significant distortion on targets at a long distance. It can occur in a variety of different temperature patterns but will be most noticed when shooting at extended distances with a high-magnification riflescope. Sometimes backing off the magnification can help alleviate this issue.
  3. Barrel or Suppressor Mirage. This effect is similar to mirage observed downrange but originates from the barrel or suppressor getting hot after several rounds have been fired. The shooter can alleviate this by letting the rifle cool or installing an anti-mirage suppressor shield/ barrel mirage band.

How do I properly focus my riflescope?​

Adjust the reticle focus.

Note: If the scope is a fixed power unit, skip steps 1 and 2.

  1. Turn the magnification ring to the highest power.
  2. Turn the parallax focus to ‘Infinity’. Note: Side focus parallax adjustment knobs mar or many not have distances marked.
  3. Turn the ocular bell/eyepiece all the way in.
  4. Aim the scope at a blank white wall or up at the sky with no cloud coverage.
  5. Look at something nearby, then look at the reticle through the scope. If the reticle is out-of-focus, turn it slightly to begin focusing the reticle but look away from the scope. Make sure to look away from the reticle after a few seconds to ensure your eye doesn’t naturally try to bring the reticle into focus. You want to look through the scope and see a sharply focused reticle immediately with your eye relaxed.
  6. Once this adjustment is complete, it won’t be necessary to re-focus every time you use the riflescope. However, as eyesight may change over time, we recommend re-checking this adjustment periodically
  7. Only complete this step if your riflescope has a side focus parallax adjustment or adjustable objective (AO) feature. These riflescopes feature a separate focus which should be used to fine-tune the image focus. When the image is sharply focused, parallax error will also be eliminated.
    1. Be sure the reticle is correctly focused.
    2. Turn the side focus knob or AO until the target image is as sharp as possible. The yardage numbers referenced should somewhat match the actual yardage to the target, but keep in mind these are not exact and are more of a guideline than a concrete reference point.
    3. Check for parallax error by moving your head back and forth while looking through the scope. The focus is correct if there is no apparent shift of the reticle on the target. If you notice any shift, adjust the focus knob slightly until all shift is eliminated.
Warning: Looking directly at the sun through a riflescope, or any optical instrument can cause severe and permanent damage to your eyesight.

Over-tightened rings can restrict movement of the parallax cell and cause the parallax knob to turn hard or not even change the focus of the image at all. We recommend 15-18 inch pounds on most ring sets, but please feel free to call and ask if you have questions about your specific rings.
Will be giving it another go this afternoon. Thank you much!
 
I originally adjusted the diopter outside looking at a blue sky and letting my eyes rest between adjustments until I got a crisp reticle. Then I went back inside to change up the diopter settings whilst looking at known objects so that I’d know if I was close to a true 1x size or not.

Reticle remains clear, but everything else in the glass around it is blurry
Just how close are you to the objects that are blurry? Do any other scopes have the same issue?
 
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