Point on insanity

[rabbithuntr]

Just got into trad shooting this summer, I’ve been reading about point on and it seems 30-35 is normal. With my current setup up my point on is about 50 yards. I’m shooting 30# @ 29” Ilf recurve arrows are about 380-390 grains. 3 under with thumb nuckle behind jaw touching ear. Also at 20 yards my point is 30” below impact.
Semi related bow can’t changes impact diagonally is there a way to keep that consistent.

 

[Wilderlife]

Doing your best to keep your cant consistent will help with the L/R impact stuff for sure. How you see the arrow and string in your sight picture can have a lot to do with this.

Point on has more to do with length of your arrows and how your anchor point (high, low, 3 under, split finger, etc) finds itself being higher or lower.

If you're looking to bring your point on a little closer you can work on a fixed crawl and adjust the tiller of your bow to have it behave more consistently and be a little quieter.

 

[bowhuntercoop]

Just got into trad shooting this summer, I’ve been reading about point on and it seems 30-35 is normal. With my current setup up my point on is about 50 yards. I’m shooting 30# @ 29” Ilf recurve arrows are about 380-390 grains. 3 under with thumb nuckle behind jaw touching ear. Also at 20 yards my point is 30” below impact.
Semi related bow can’t changes impact diagonally is there a way to keep that consistent.

Put the index finger directly under ur eye on your check bone . If you’re anchoring with your thumb touching there you’re prolly over drawing, your low anchor is what’s causing your long point on.

If I anchor index finger in the corner of my mouth like a lot of guys I get a 35 point on. Tom Clum had me change my anchor to like what I mentioned about and magic, 20 yard point on now. Game changer for killing critters.

 

[Beendare]

Point on has more to do with length of your arrows and how your anchor point (high, low, 3 under, split finger, etc) finds itself being higher or lower.

Low anchor at the corner of your mouth will give you a longer PO. Higher anchor closer to your eye gives you a short PO. All of the top 3 D shooters at the 30y and under tourneys shoot with a high anchor up on their cheek or they string walk.

Those long PO's hurt your accuracy at short distance no matter which way you slice it. It's a larger Gap at short range...and even if you don't gap shoot, the larger gap makes for a tougher instinctive mental calculation.

It sounds like you are overdrawing down the side of your face. One key to not losing arrows left and right is centering the string on your eye. There are other reasons too; Plucking the string will do it....and too much tension in your string arm.

A weak bow arm.....or an inconsistent DL will give you R and L misses too.

 

[rabbithuntr]

Put the index finger directly under ur eye on your check bone . If you’re anchoring with your thumb touching there you’re prolly over drawing, your low anchor is what’s causing your long point on.

If I anchor index finger in the corner of my mouth like a lot of guys I get a 35 point on. Tom Clum had me change my anchor to like what I mentioned about and magic, 20 yard point on now. Game changer for killing critters.

Went out and tried that, I put my index fingers on the top of the ridge above my eye tooth (can’t go much higher without hitting my glasses) brought my PO to 25-30 which helps a lot on closer targets.

 

[rabbithuntr]

Low anchor at the corner of your mouth will give you a longer PO. Higher anchor closer to your eye gives you a short PO. All of the top 3 D shooters at the 30y and under tourneys shoot with a high anchor up on their cheek or they string walk.

Those long PO's hurt your accuracy at short distance no matter which way you slice it. It's a larger Gap at short range...and even if you don't gap shoot, the larger gap makes for a tougher instinctive mental calculation.

It sounds like you are overdrawing down the side of your face. One key to not losing arrows left and right is centering the string on your eye. There are other reasons too; Plucking the string will do it....and too much tension in your string arm.

A weak bow arm.....or an inconsistent DL will give you R and L misses too.

I messed with my anchor this morning and it did help with close range accuracy a lot.

What do you mean by to much tension in you string arm and a weak bow arm?

 

[Wilderlife]

Low anchor at the corner of your mouth will give you a longer PO. Higher anchor closer to your eye gives you a short PO. All of the top 3 D shooters at the 30y and under tourneys shoot with a high anchor up on their cheek or they string walk.

Those long PO's hurt your accuracy at short distance no matter which way you slice it. It's a larger Gap at short range...and even if you don't gap shoot, the larger gap makes for a tougher instinctive mental calculation.

It sounds like you are overdrawing down the side of your face. One key to not losing arrows left and right is centering the string on your eye. There are other reasons too; Plucking the string will do it....and too much tension in your string arm.

A weak bow arm.....or an inconsistent DL will give you R and L misses too.

Yeh, I should have specified what each anchor actually does to PO.

Got my field/target stuff I've always tried to chase a long point on as we need to shoot out to 48m, but we have plenty of closer shots as well, so the gaps at the middle distances are a nightmare. ABA doesn't allow string walking at all, unless I believe you have one fixed crawl point and use that for every shot. It'd be nice if they were more aligned with world archery rules.

As it stands now on my ILF rig, I'm shooting about 51#, an arrow of 500gn that's full length, with an anchor that gives me a point on of about 32m, but I have a 20m fixed crawl on my string that I use for hunting.

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

Before you get to crazy messing with anchor points... start here:

Then you can figure out the height on your face that is most comfortable. after all that, you can always switch to longer arrows, or you can try riser gapping instead of using the tip of the arrow. You will also find that where you put pressure into the bow grip will change pointon distance. Higher in the throat = shorter POI, but maybe less L/R consistency.

 

[rabbithuntr]

Before you get to crazy messing with anchor points... start here:

Then you can figure out the height on your face that is most comfortable. after all that, you can always switch to longer arrows, or you can try riser gapping instead of using the tip of the arrow. You will also find that where you put pressure into the bow grip will change pointon distance. Higher in the throat = shorter POI, but maybe less L/R consistency.

Thanks

 

[rabbithuntr]

Yeh, I should have specified what each anchor actually does to PO.

Got my field/target stuff I've always tried to chase a long point on as we need to shoot out to 48m, but we have plenty of closer shots as well, so the gaps at the middle distances are a nightmare. ABA doesn't allow string walking at all, unless I believe you have one fixed crawl point and use that for every shot. It'd be nice if they were more aligned with world archery rules.

As it stands now on my ILF rig, I'm shooting about 51#, an arrow of 500gn that's full length, with an anchor that gives me a point on of about 32m, but I have a 20m fixed crawl on my string that I use for hunting.

Interesting, I tried crawling a little bit but for some reason it didn’t feel comfortable

 

[Beendare]

Interesting, I tried crawling a little bit but for some reason it didn’t feel comfortable

Changing your anchor never feels right until you shoot it a lot. It takes me about 300 shots to dial in a new anchor.

 

[rabbithuntr]

after that video it seems I have a short forearm a shorter draw has my elbow out in front of my shoulders

 

[rabbithuntr]

Changing your anchor never feels right until you shoot it a lot. It takes me about 300 shots to dial in a new anchor.

Yeah I probably didn’t give it enough time

 

[Beendare]

What do you mean by to much tension in you string arm and a weak bow arm?

Tension in your forearm interferes with the straight line pull from your elbow and the muscles in your back. Tension in your forearm makes for tension in your hand...it's best to relax it as much as possible.

Your bow arm should rigidly point to the spot through your grip and hold through the shot. If you relax your bow arm on the followthrough, your bow can move off target and you will lose arrows side to side. You can consciously check where your bow is after the shot- it should be right in line with the spot.

 

[rabbithuntr]

Tension in your forearm interferes with the straight line pull from your elbow and the muscles in your back. Tension in your forearm makes for tension in your hand...it's best to relax it as much as possible.

Your bow arm should rigidly point to the spot through your grip and hold through the shot. If you relax your bow arm on the followthrough, your bow can move off target and you will lose arrows side to side. You can consciously check where your bow is after the shot- it should be right in line with the spot.

From how your description I probably don’t have enough tension in my back? on my follow through I do find I have a tendency to pull my bow arm to the left (I’m right handed) as on the release both arms come back and my shoulder blades come closer together

 

[Wrench]

Fairly light arrows and a longer draw mixed with the high anchor are the recipe for what you have going on. You can use arrow length to your advantage too.

 

[rabbithuntr]

Fairly light arrows and a longer draw mixed with the high anchor are the recipe for what you have going on. You can use arrow length to your advantage too.

My arrows are uncut with long 150 gr. Points, they are light but ~13 gpp. Wouldn’t a lower anchor increase PO distance?