Please make it stop!!!!

[Mighty Mouse]

This doesn't seem to me to be that pervasive of a "problem." I just skimmed through the 200 posts that show up when I hit the "What's New" button and saw maybe 8 that fit what the OP is complaining about.

I don't begrudge people asking for unit specific info, and I'm sometimes willing to help to a degree via PM. I won't give coordinates or even specific trails/basins/drainages, but I don't mind sharing some general tips if the guy asking seems like a good person. If he didn't ask publicly though, I'd never know that he was looking.

Making snide comments on unit specific inquiries just bumps the post to the top of the pile and makes it seem like these types of posts are more common than they really are. If you dislike the subject matter of a particular post, make like REO Speedwagon and...

 

[marktole]

a minimum 5 to 10 year learning curve if you don’t live in elk country

False.

I vacation in a GMU Unit I will never hunt. I am too old to every get enough preference points to hunt it. I don't have that much life yet. I have PM'd a few guys who do draw that unit , and given them good areas to hunt. I figure if they are lucky enough to draw the unit, I can at least help them get the bull of a lifetime. I have been lucky to hunt elk in a few places. I have only had two of these men contact me back in appreciation. Sure made me feel great to know they were successful.

I think it's a different story to give out info on trophy units or units that take more than a few years to draw. Steven Rinella talks about this in one of his podcasts about the elk he shot in WA a year or two ago and I agree with his outlook on it.

In an OTC unit where anyone with a little ambition and two legs can come hunt, information is hard to come by from other hunters because you have to work for it and if you give out too much to too many, it will ruin a spot.

A unit that is harder to draw though...who cares if you tell someone where you found elk in unit X from your hunt 2 years ago that you won't draw again for another 5 years? You might as well help someone have a good experience on their hunt after waiting that amount of time, just like you did.

 

[hobbes]

I think one of my first posts on Bowsite back in 99 was asking a similar question about CO. (Half of you guys were probably in grade school back then) It seems absurd now, but I had no idea how absurd back then. A lot of the guys are just excited to be going, a little scared of what they are getting into, and brand new to forums. I just scroll on by.

I don't share much about elk. I have a hard enough time on my own. I don't even want the guys I know telling me where they found elk because I feel like I can't hunt there afterwards.

I have shared turkey info on multiple occasions to guys traveling that I don't think will be back. I've posted photos (on other forums) of enough turkey hunts in a few Western states that makes it easily searchable, so I get hit with a half dozen or so PMs every year. I've changed to a lengthy cut and paste response about the individual states that doesn't give away too much detail. I've given some fairly detailed info to a few folks, but have decided not to anymore. Its not that they have ruined hunting, but once the info has been given, few of them are ever heard from again. I don't need to be friends, but dang.....a thank you would be nice.

 

[switchback7]

The funny thing is the idea that they are actually gonna get an elk

a minimum 5 to 10 year learning curve if you don’t live in elk country

Buddy of mine has harvested elk on his first 2 (and only 2) trips so not sure if this is 100% accurate. but i would tend to agree, there is a learning curve, for sure.

 

[Carr5vols]

I have helped guys on here out in the past with units and have been helped out as well and very much appreciate it. I usually like to do it over a call to try to gage a person's character. Once on the call I can decide how much info to pass along but I stay pretty general. Saying that I have only given up one " honey hole" and it was after meeting him in person. And it paid off for him. Your welcome Carson.

 

[AggieOutdoors16]

(From Experience) I am inclined to agree with those above stating that those posts often come more from excitement than from any form of intentions to "ruin a unit". My first post on this site was eerily similar to the ones many on this thread are describing, and i took offense when several others made those snide remarks on my post. Why? Because when i found this site, i found a place i felt like i could discuss a new-found passion with others who shared that passion with me. Over the past few years, i have come to learn the importance of protecting what we all care so much about, and understand why everyone gets so up-in-arms over these posts. I just don't agree with the way some on here go about expressing or explaining that to some new members. It discourages them from participating and participation is what makes this forum site great.

Best of luck to everyone on all their adventures in the crazy year of 2020.

 

[fishslap]

“Just looking for a place where I can show my young sons some elk”

Pulling the kid card cracks me up.

I see the same with being a veteran...and I am one. The kid one is worse on fishing forums. “Trying to get my kids into fishing, limits of 10-12” fillet-able crappie preferred. Got any good spots?”

 

[Poser]

I see the same with being a veteran...and I am one. The kid one is worse on fishing forums. “Trying to get my kids into fishing, limits of 10-12” fillet-able crappie preferred. Got any good spots?”

She I see these, i always think “you need to teach your kid some Lessons of reality (reality of hunting, reality of life), not do all of the work to drop a trophy in their lap just so they’ll share the same hobby as dad.”

I read a book by a successful whitetail hunter and he talked about how he taught his two sons. If they asked to go hunting, and only if they asked, the condition was they had to sit in a stand with him until noon. He would purposely take them to a spot where there was 0 chance of seeing a deer for their entire first season.

 

[carsonkeys]

She I see these, i always think “you need to teach your kid some Lessons of reality (reality of hunting, reality of life), not do all of the work to drop a trophy in their lap just so they’ll share the same hobby as dad.”

I read a book by a successful whitetail hunter and he talked about how he taught his two sons. If they asked to go hunting, and only if they asked, the condition was they had to sit in a stand with him until noon. He would purposely take them to a spot where there was 0 chance of seeing a deer for their entire first season.

This is really interesting, and something I've never heard of before. I don't have kids, so take this with a grain of salt, but I think I'd rather take my kids to a place where they'd see mostly sub-legal deer (or any other critter) and explain to them why you let certain critters walk, explain to them the ethics of hunting and conservation, that once you loose that arrow or touch that trigger you can't take it back, explain the legalities of why a bull must have a brow tine, etc. all the while they're seeing animals.

 

[jmav58]

I have helped guys on here out in the past with units and have been helped out as well and very much appreciate it. I usually like to do it over a call to try to gage a person's character. Once on the call I can decide how much info to pass along but I stay pretty general. Saying that I have only given up one " honey hole" and it was after meeting him in person. And it paid off for him. Your welcome Carson.

You're not worried that Carson fella is going to keep hunting that "honeyhole"? Or worse, bring some of his friends or girlfriend to it and then they make that their honeyhole? And now your honeyhole is just another hole with 50 dudes stomping around in it wondering where the hell the animals went and Carson is going to be bitching about "5 years ago this spot was awesome and now it's shit." That's what worries me.

 

[mtjimbo]

This is really interesting, and something I've never heard of before. I don't have kids, so take this with a grain of salt, but I think I'd rather take my kids to a place where they'd see mostly sub-legal deer (or any other critter) and explain to them why you let certain critters walk, explain to them the ethics of hunting and conservation, that once you loose that arrow or touch that trigger you can't take it back, explain the legalities of why a bull must have a brow tine, etc. all the while they're seeing animals.

You'll make a decent PA hahaha

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[mtjimbo]

You'll make a decent PA hahaha

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Hmmm I suppose I should clear up "pa" .... You'll make a decent dad.

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[Fridaythe13th]

This doesn't seem to me to be that pervasive of a "problem." I just skimmed through the 200 posts that show up when I hit the "What's New" button and saw maybe 8 that fit what the OP is complaining about.

To funny on my part, I've never seen the "what's new" button. Lol

 

[CBKY97]

(From Experience) I am inclined to agree with those above stating that those posts often come more from excitement than from any form of intentions to "ruin a unit". My first post on this site was eerily similar to the ones many on this thread are describing, and i took offense when several others made those snide remarks on my post. Why? Because when i found this site, i found a place i felt like i could discuss a new-found passion with others who shared that passion with me. Over the past few years, i have come to learn the importance of protecting what we all care so much about, and understand why everyone gets so up-in-arms over these posts. I just don't agree with the way some on here go about expressing or explaining that to some new members. It discourages them from participating and participation is what makes this forum site great.

Best of luck to everyone on all their adventures in the crazy year of 2020.

Very true. I think my post yesterday asking for access information to the Flat Tops may have motivated this thread. I wasn’t trying to get anybody’s “honeyhole” so to speak, but more or less what areas of unit 24 should I target for on foot access. I can understand the frustrations behind a post like that, but being I’m completely new to hunting that area of Colorado I wanted to get a better understanding of which area of the unit I should target when I fly out a few months early to scout. Essentially I wanted to make the most of the limited scouting time that I will have. I didn’t mean to piss in anyone’s Cheerios. I guess I’m doing it all wrong over here in Ky, I need to be more stingy with my Smallmouth fishing and Whitetail access info

 

[ShortMountain91]

I've come close to asking when I first joined but I've been hunting my whole life and nobody has ever been a fan of handing out good public spots whether it's squirrels, deer, turkey whatever. That being said I agree that most are just excited to dip into elk hunting. I was there too. Pretty sure the OP even asked a similar question about 54 once also. Just please for the love of all things good do this stuff over PMs. If I see specifics about the unit I hunt on here I just mark it as a place not to go

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[mtjimbo]

She I see these, i always think “you need to teach your kid some Lessons of reality (reality of hunting, reality of life), not do all of the work to drop a trophy in their lap just so they’ll share the same hobby as dad.”

I read a book by a successful whitetail hunter and he talked about how he taught his two sons. If they asked to go hunting, and only if they asked, the condition was they had to sit in a stand with him until noon. He would purposely take them to a spot where there was 0 chance of seeing a deer for their entire first season.

Do his kids enjoy hunting now? Haha to each his own I guess. I have a daughter and when she's ready to decide if she wants to go or not I can dang well tell you'll I'll be taking her to a place where she sees critters or has a chance at something. Why would I not want her to " have the same hobby as dad" I'd love to spend that extra quality time with her. If she ends up enjoying hunting there is plenty of time for her to learn the lessons of being patient and miserable in life. I guess I don't really understand any of that. I can tell you of when I was a kid and my dad didn't try to take me to areas to help me succeed my first year I don't know if I would have liked hunting. Here I am all these years later still hunting and enjoying all the miserable moments that come with it. As a father I personally will be taking every moment I can with my children to make things as interesting and enjoyable as possible so that they do "have the same hobby as dad" because that's more time spent together.

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[jmav58]

Very true. I think my post yesterday asking for access information to the Flat Tops may have motivated this thread. I wasn’t trying to get anybody’s “honeyhole” so to speak, but more or less what areas of unit 24 should I target for on foot access. I can understand the frustrations behind a post like that, but being I’m completely new to hunting that area of Colorado I wanted to get a better understanding of which area of the unit I should target when I fly out a few months early to scout. Essentially I wanted to make the most of the limited scouting time that I will have. I didn’t mean to piss in anyone’s Cheerios. I guess I’m doing it all wrong over here in Ky, I need to be more stingy with my Smallmouth fishing and Whitetail access info

I think everyone here understands you didn't legitimately mean any harm in asking about the area. It's just when someone Googles Flat Tops your thread comes up and now instead of 1 extra guy going, it's 10. I think most guys/gals appreciate when people try something or give it a shot instead of just asking for a place to go or about certain drainages, ridges or basins.

 

[Gila]

I get PMs from guys that say: "I used to live nearby but I have not hunted your area for years. I am not trying to get your hunting areas or anythink like that, but just would like to know where to hunt."

 

[CBKY97]

I think everyone here understands you didn't legitimately mean any harm in asking about the area. It's just when someone Googles Flat Tops your thread comes up and now instead of 1 extra guy going, it's 10. I think most guys/gals appreciate when people try something or give it a shot instead of just asking for a place to go or about certain drainages, ridges or basins.

That’s certainly the way I started out. My first elk trip was about 5 or 6 years ago in unit 22, I had permissions from a friend of a friend to access the BLM land off of his private land. I dove into that head first and learned a lot, and built off of it. But the whole “Wilderness area” concept is new to me and I wanted to access all avenues of information before even taking a scouting trip. Lesson learned!‍

 

[Mighty Mouse]

To funny on my part, I've never seen the "what's new" button. Lol

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