Pfizer clinical trial data: not good at all

[redcorn65]

Am genuinely curious as to what many of our govt leaders would consider "the finish line"
Originally it was to keep from overwhelming hospitals, then it was until a vaccine, then it was until we had therapeutics.

Just wondering when those "in the know" will let us move on.


I said very early on in the draconian measures that it's gonna be really hard for the safety addicted to let us go back to killing each other with microbes like we've been doing for hundreds of thousands of years... Remember when the flu infected tens of millions in a few months? Me neither. But it happened. Just a few years ago...

“Just wondering when those “in the know” will LET us move on”

That’s the entire point. The people took the bait. They don’t have to LET us do anything because WE took the bait. They know they can move the goal posts and do whatever the hell they want to control us. That’s the entire premise.


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[fwafwow]

I love the sample size of "who I know" logic vs. published data on millions of people. So solid. LOL

I may have missed your answer, but will you concede both sides are using “misinformation”?

 

[Yoder]

I love the sample size of "who I know" logic vs. published data on millions of people. So solid. LOL

You should consider who you know. Did 90% of your friends and family die from covid? Did they die from the vaccine? I'm guessing most people know of someone who died from covid. A few may know of vaccine deaths. The overwhelming majority are totally fine. Everyone needs to stop worrying about this nonsense and go back to living life. I'm over it. I'm not getting tested, not wearing a mask. I'm "safe" from the "effective" vaccine. Covid is over. At least until the midterm elections. Then some new death variant will appear.

 

[ddd-shooter]

You do realize that they all said in the beginning that it would prevent you from getting infected and that it would stop the spread. They changed that once “break through” infections become less “extremely rare” like had been stated previously. I’m all for different view points but I can’t understand how people are simply dismissing the fact that literally every “expert” from Fauchi to the CDC said the vaccines would prevent infection at a 90%+ rate and stop the spread. They pivoted once they realized the vaccine were not effective at all at preventing infection and stated it was simply to keep people from going to the hospital. Do you seriously believe that a vaccine’s purpose is to try and keep people from getting as sick? Or are vaccines for stopping the spread of illness? Everyone in support of their narrative just dismisses this and it blows my mind.

Was there a pivot? Yes. Do they ignore that? Yes. Is it stupid to pretend otherwise? Yes. Does it cause many to hesitate? Yes. Isn't that the opposite of what their goal is? Yes

Does it mean the vaccine is useless? No.

 

[Newtosavage]

I may have missed your answer, but will you concede both sides are using “misinformation”?

I wasn't aware there are sides. Is this a game?

No, it isn't. But some sure treat it as such. Especially all those so-called "pro lifers" who refuse to take even the simplest steps that are known to save lives.

The hypocrisy is so deep at times.

 

[IsThisHeaven]

Was there a pivot? Yes. Do they ignore that? Yes. Is it stupid to pretend otherwise? Yes. Does it cause many to hesitate? Yes. Isn't that the opposite of what their goal is? Yes

Does it mean the vaccine is useless? No.

This one

 

[fwafwow]

I wasn't aware there are sides. Is this a game?

No, it isn't. But some sure treat it as such. Especially all those so-called "pro lifers" who refuse to take even the simplest steps that are known to save lives.

The hypocrisy is so deep at times.

Your last sentence is ironic. You said people are using misinformation but you fail to admit that many (specifically including Fauci and Collins, but now I’m repeating myself) have been doing that. Your refusal to acknowledge that or respond to other direct questions makes your terse posts evident as just little troll bombs.

 

[qwerksc]

Just against the “Mandate” unless you date men…then carry on.

 

[Chucklehead]

I wasn't aware there are sides. Is this a game?

No, it isn't. But some sure treat it as such. Especially all those so-called "pro lifers" who refuse to take even the simplest steps that are known to save lives.

The hypocrisy is so deep at times.

wow
First you say you don't think there are sides.
The very next line you group half the country into a side with an obvious pejorative. And you call them the hypocrites???
If you don't want to answer what he asked, just say so.

 

[Newtosavage]

Your last sentence is ironic. You said people are using misinformation but you fail to admit that many (specifically including Fauci and Collins, but now I’m repeating myself) have been doing that. Your refusal to acknowledge that or respond to other direct questions makes your terse posts evident as just little troll bombs.

You have proof that Fauci and Collins are using deliberately using misinformation?

What about trump admitting that he 'played down' the pandemic at the beginning?

It's all going to go away. It will be gone by Easter. LOL

 

[Newtosavage]

wow
First you say you don't think there are sides.
The very next line you group half the country into a side with an obvious pejorative. And you call them the hypocrites???
If you don't want to answer what he asked, just say so.

I'm just calling out all those who call themselves "pro life" and won't take the simplest steps to save lives. That's all. That my friend, is hypocrisy.

You don't get to ignore obvious and proven steps that can and do save lives during a pandemic, and turn around and say you're pro life.

Never said a thing about "sides."

 

[ddavis_1313]

So you are full of $#!+ and admit it? I appreciate the honesty - America needs more of that.

If you were willing to waive your access to a healthcare in the event you become really sick with COVID, I would be all for it. The problem is, the unvaccinated are not doing that and have unwittingly caused the deaths of others based on their "personal" decisions.

Wait, you are in favor of people being denied healthcare or treatment that don’t get the jab (for what ever their reason may be)? So religious beliefs, pregnant women, people with severe allergies, people with clotting disorders, people with existing cardiac dysrhythmias, etc are denied? That’s kind of how effective treatments are being denied due to race.

So based on the article above, NYC will “unwittingly cause deaths of others based on their personal decisions” by denying treatment due to race.

So if someone doesn’t want to take the jab due to what ever their reasoning is (none of anyones business) you prefer they be denied healthcare. That’s insane.


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[redcorn65]

You have proof that Fauci and Collins are using deliberately using misinformation?

What about trump admitting that he 'played down' the pandemic at the beginning?

It's all going to go away. It will be gone by Easter. LOL

You mean when Fauci lied in front of congress about gain of function research? No. Patron Saint Anthony wouldn’t steer us wrong.


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[Chucklehead]

I'm just calling out all those who call themselves "pro life" and won't take the simplest steps to save lives. That's all. That my friend, is hypocrisy.

You don't get to ignore obvious and proven steps that can and do save lives during a pandemic, and turn around and say you're pro life.

Never said a thing about "sides."

Yes you did.
"I wasn't aware there were sides." That is your words. Post 225

And you are making alot of assumptions of peoples beliefs.
I know plenty of pro-life people that are "pro-covid vax" and a few people who are pro-choice who are anti-covid vax".
You sure like to group people up for some reason.

 

[Yoder]

You have proof that Fauci and Collins are using deliberately using misinformation?

What about trump admitting that he 'played down' the pandemic at the beginning?

It's all going to go away. It will be gone by Easter. LOL

Here you go:

All of your heroes denouncing the "Trump" vaccines.

 

[Yoder]

Here you go:

All of your heroes denouncing the "Trump" vaccines.

They are "domestic terrorist" I guess.

 

[fwafwow]

You have proof that Fauci and Collins are using deliberately using misinformation?

What about trump admitting that he 'played down' the pandemic at the beginning?

It's all going to go away. It will be gone by Easter. LOL

The initial mask position seems like low hanging fruit. Have you read any of Fauci’s or Collins’ emails about the Great Barrington Declaration? Or the WSJ article about the same? That doesn’t mean *everything* he or they have said isn’t correct, but it means (at least to me) that he’s like everyone - subject to error and bias.

Wtf does Trump have to do with this narrow point other than to deflect? If I point out that Fauci has not been forthright, and I also question the veracity of some of the people who disagree with Fauci, can’t you just concede the point. Did Trump lie about stuff? Sure - but so what?

 

[ddd-shooter]

The initial mask position seems like low hanging fruit. Have you read any of Fauci’s or Collins’ emails about the Great Barrington Declaration? Or the WSJ article about the same? That doesn’t mean *everything* he or they have said isn’t correct, but it means (at least to me) that he’s like everyone - subject to error and bias.

Wtf does Trump have to do with this narrow point other than to deflect? If I point out that Fauci has not been forthright, and I also question the veracity of some of the people who disagree with Fauci, can’t you just concede the point. Did Trump lie about stuff? Sure - but so what?

Supplied below, but doubt it'll be read.

Opinion | How Fauci and Collins Shut Down Covid Debate

They worked with the media to trash the Great Barrington Declaration.

www.wsj.com

 

[Newtosavage]

Here you go:

All of your heroes denouncing the "Trump" vaccines.

What makes you think those are my heroes? LOL

Some of you guys... LOL

I'm not hard to figure out. I'm pro life. That means if I need to take some actions that might slightly inconvenience me in order to even potentially save lives, I'm happy to do it. You know, love thy neighbor and all that. Not to mention loving my country enough to do my part to try and get ahead of a pandemic that has crippled our economy and caused so much social turmoil.

There are crap tons of members here who agree with me on these things but they won't say anything because they don't want to be targeted by the conspiracy theorists on the forum, whose appetites for this stuff will never be satisfied.

Some of you guys daydream about a dissenter on the forum so you have the perceived "enemy" you so desperately need to fulfill your fantasy. smdh

 

[jmez]

Safety addicted!!!! You win the internet today.