Pfizer clinical trial data: not good at all

[TreeWalking]

First of all, that was a lot of rebuttal to some stereotypical metaphors I was using explain our comfort levels of historical medications and vaccines we all know of. Second of all, I know the original numbers of cases and deaths were inaccurate because my wife saw the misreporting first hand multiple times at her hospital. Including once that brought her to tears because it was a patient she took care of who died of a massive heart failure at 84 years old in the hospital and was reported as a Covid death on the hospital paperwork and the death certificate. I have a cousin who is a doctor in another state he told me that cases were being conveniently reported as died with Covid after dying from different causes. I have another cousin in a third state that almost quit his job as a nurse because he witnessed deaths being reported as Covid deaths that were clearly not. Also add on that the first several months most hospitals had no testing to confirm a Covid case, so they were diagnosing and documenting Covid cases based on symptoms. And eventually many tests that were used early on were later pulled off the approved list by the fda because they were deemed to be inaccurate. So even a armchair doctor like me can see those numbers can’t be anywhere near accurate. Now, don’t get me wrong, I acknowledge the disease and the threat to health it poses. I am not a Covid non believer or even an antivaxxer. If you want the vaccine go for it. But I have yet to see any sort of believable or thorough data on the vaccines safety for the short term or long term. Again, when you’ve seen the first hand medical complications from the vaccine that I have, you begin to doubt the safety of it. That is all. And in that mindset I search for legitimate data to confirm it’s safety or danger. It is just very hard to find. That’s all. And when you throw in the fact that the government has either lied, hid or manipulated the data the whole way, it’s hard to just take their word for it.

Your relatives are in for a big payday!!! Falsifying cause of death breaks a federal law which provides financial incentives for whistleblowers. They will know that since they are in the medical field. How much did they get awarded?

 

[Button]

I don’t have the ‘vaccine’ and am perfectly content living my life knowing microorganisms are lurking everywhere, trying to enslave me like an oppressive totalitarian government. But so far my immune system has been kicking ass. Living a healthy lifestyle body and mind helps.

 

[Rob5589]

Why is it that approx 85-90% of all the folks that get "Omicron" are vaxxed?

Wanna talk about dumb? How about all the double vaxxed, boosted, triple masked, face shield wearing sheep stand in a line for 3 hours just to get tested to find out if they have a "disease" that they have zero symptoms for? WTF man?

You can see where places like VT (95+% vaxxed) where hospitals are overrun by folks who test "positive" & run to the ER even though they are perfectly fine.

MASS. FORMATION. PSYCHOSIS.

I agree but, back in the beginning of covid, in the first long running thread, it was brought up by several people, myself included, that people with mild symptoms should stay home, isolate, and treat as you would a cold/flu. As recommended by the CDC and local medical authorities. Many here jumped all over that as irresponsible by the medical community and felt that even mild symptoms should be treated with medication/therapies (enter IVM).

 

[Short Track]

My household has omicron now... as I type. I'm vaxxed, not boosted. My wife is NOT vaxxed. We are about the same with symptoms. Not enough of a difference to tell who is & who is not vaxxed.

My daughter is vaxxed & boosted. Tested positive as well. She is 100% symptom free.

My son (tested negative) packed up his car & drove away as fast as he could !!!!! He's the smartest one of them all

There is no hiding from this omicon. It blew through my job site, my family, xmas day guests. 90% infection rate.

 

[Yoder]

So you are full of $#!+ and admit it? I appreciate the honesty - America needs more of that.

If you were willing to waive your access to a healthcare in the event you become really sick with COVID, I would be all for it. The problem is, the unvaccinated are not doing that and have unwittingly caused the deaths of others based on their "personal" decisions.

I agree. Anyone that does something irresponsible that causes them health issues should not be allowed to get healthcare. So if you are obese, smoke, drink or use drugs you shouldn't get a hospital bed. Those are "personal" decisions as well. Fair?

 

[Crghss]

There is no hiding from this omicon. It blew through my job site, my family, xmas day guests. 90% infection rate.

So true, company had a Christmas party. 16 out of 20 got the Covid, almost all had vaccine. But all mild cases most asymptomatic.

Omicron is certainly not Delta. That was serious. Knew 6 un-vaccinated that died. So sad.

I read over a year ago where Epidemiologist stated a strain like omicron would get here sooner or latter. Just how much damage would be done till that time. I think omicron will put an end to this. We all will have antigens one way or the other.

 

[KurtR]

So you are full of $#!+ and admit it? I appreciate the honesty - America needs more of that.

If you were willing to waive your access to a healthcare in the event you become really sick with COVID, I would be all for it. The problem is, the unvaccinated are not doing that and have unwittingly caused the deaths of others based on their "personal" decisions.

Do people who smoke and drink waive there’s also.

 

[FLATHEAD]

Still, and from the inception, the vaccine enthusiasts continue with their shaming, ostracizing and willful punishment of those who use their free will to make their own medical decisions. Those who do not obey must pay.
And the ones who choose to not get the vaccine are very much ok with those who chose to do so.
We must be more careful about who we choose to lead the country, at all levels. And be aware that one segment of the population is all about control, telling you how to live, what's best for you and those around you. Why?, because they say so. Because they know better than you.
Even after this virus is a distant bad memory, we must remember that those people are still there, waiting for the next opportunity to seize control of the country and your life.

 

[redcorn65]

Yaaa...let's keep perpetuating the misinformation campaign until the damn virus mutates to where it takes out 50% of the planet. Then we will assess our quality of life.
My Grandfather spent his whole life in a wheelchair from polio and spoke many times about how he just missed the vaccine.
Lucky we didn't have morons on the radio when we defeated polio, smallpox, mumps, measles, rubella etc, now shingles. Soon to be Lyme disease, possibly AIDS.
Go Joe...you patriot!

If your grandfather had took 4 boosters and still got polio and still got put in a wheelchair you’d have some questions.


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[Rob5589]

Do people who smoke and drink waive there’s also.

Exactly. You don't choose who to treat based on their life choices. I deal with alcoholics over and over again. We had a regular that would call 911 every day. My company transported him over 300 times in 2016 and he was seen over 400 times in various ED's the same year. Yes, more than once a day. He was still seen and treated every time.

 

[fwafwow]

My experts? The vaccines were not designed to keep people from becoming infected with COVID. People who have been following along know that. If you believe they were, so be it.

Well, if *you* trust Snopes, apparently the President said that. But I concede he’s not an expert - just their boss and the titular leader of the country. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/

EDIT - I didn't have to look very hard to find articles (NYT as an example) in which the pharmaceutical companies were touting the early results of the vaccines as "robustly effective in preventing Covid-19". But it's ok - pharma and the government initially *thought* that would be the case, and it didn't turn out to be correct. But the government, pharma and some of their supporters have a hard time admitting that things projected don't always turn out to be true. Actual results can differ, but why can't everyone just admit when they are wrong?

 

[satchamo]

So true, company had a Christmas party. 16 out of 20 got the Covid, almost all had vaccine. But all mild cases most asymptomatic.

Omicron is certainly not Delta. That was serious. Knew 6 un-vaccinated that died. So sad.

I read over a year ago where Epidemiologist stated a strain like omicron would get here sooner or latter. Just how much damage would be done till that time. I think omicron will put an end to this. We all will have antigens one way or the other.

This is my hope - everyone around me seems to have Covid right now but they are all mild cases - like no more than a bad cold. Granted the folks I’m talking to are vaxxed but still - good anecdote. I’ve avoided the virus for 2 years because of how crappy the other variants were. So if I have to get Covid - this is the one I want.

 

[IdahoElk]

If your grandfather had took 4 boosters and still got polio and still got put in a wheelchair you’d have some questions.


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Mass psychosis makes it impossible to ask this question.

 

[grfox92]

These covid threads truly bring out the absolute worst that This forum has to offer.

From both sides of the aisle.

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[Newtosavage]

I love the sample size of "who I know" logic vs. published data on millions of people. So solid. LOL

 

[Newtosavage]

These covid threads truly bring out the absolute worst that This forum has to offer.

From both sides of the aisle.

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I thought the trump threads did that. LOL

 

[redcorn65]

Mass psychosis makes it impossible to ask this question.

110%. It’s impressive how persistent they are in this and how aggressive they are in shaming everyone they feel isn’t falling in line. Random dudes on here trying to discredit a guy like Dr Malone… impressive. 2 years ago people were shaming Pfizer and the like for causing the opioid crisis and now they comparing them the Jesus Christ. Just wow.


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[Sherman]

Guys.....GUYS!!!!! Can we all effin calm eff down? Can we just chill the f@€k out!?!?!? All they are asking is that we mask up, socially distance ourselves, and stay home except for essentials for TWO WEEKS to flatten the curve. Is that too much to ask. Life will be back to normal in TWO WEEKS!!!!! The curve will be flattened and we can live our normal lives. It’s not like they are going to drag this out for years and years, a stupid virus that you have 99.9% chance of surviving.....a virus so dangerous you have to get a test to figure out if you have it.

 

[mwebs]

My experts? The vaccines were not designed to keep people from becoming infected with COVID. People who have been following along know that. If you believe they were, so be it.

You do realize that they all said in the beginning that it would prevent you from getting infected and that it would stop the spread. They changed that once “break through” infections become less “extremely rare” like had been stated previously. I’m all for different view points but I can’t understand how people are simply dismissing the fact that literally every “expert” from Fauchi to the CDC said the vaccines would prevent infection at a 90%+ rate and stop the spread. They pivoted once they realized the vaccine were not effective at all at preventing infection and stated it was simply to keep people from going to the hospital. Do you seriously believe that a vaccine’s purpose is to try and keep people from getting as sick? Or are vaccines for stopping the spread of illness? Everyone in support of their narrative just dismisses this and it blows my mind.

 

[ddd-shooter]

Am genuinely curious as to what many of our govt leaders would consider "the finish line"
Originally it was to keep from overwhelming hospitals, then it was until a vaccine, then it was until we had therapeutics.

Just wondering when those "in the know" will let us move on.


I said very early on in the draconian measures that it's gonna be really hard for the safety addicted to let us go back to killing each other with microbes like we've been doing for hundreds of thousands of years... Remember when the flu infected tens of millions in a few months? Me neither. But it happened. Just a few years ago...