Pew Science

[HuntHarder]

Anybody a member? What are your thoughts? After thinking about it, this actually seems like the best way to accurately compare cans. I have heard some guys don't like pew science, but never heard reasons why.

 

[omicron1792]

Anybody a member? What are your thoughts? After thinking about it, this actually seems like the best way to accurately compare cans. I have heard some guys don't like pew science, but never heard reasons why.

He charges for some of his data. Seems to make some mad. I don’t ever blame someone trying to make a Buck off their skills.

 

[HuntHarder]

I see that he charges for his data, but it's not that much and if it is true unbiased data, it may be worth the price. I could see how this could be a non starter for some tho.

 

[TandKHunting]

Highly suggest being a member if you are a data nerd and obsessed with suppressor performance like me. If you take the time to learn his ways and throughly learn and read about the reports...you will enjoy seeing his weekly drops.

After heavily researching this topic over the past two months. Nobody is even close to imitating what Jay does. Buying a high end meter (the $40,000 and up kind) and capturing accurate muzzle and ear numbers along with wave form data is only one part of the equation.

I personally think it has taken him decades to perfect the craft of measuring suppressors to the scientific depth that he does. Read his about me. The guy is more qualified than just about anybody.

The growing amount of people that refuse to buy a suppressor without PEW Science data behind it is telling. He's the most trusted 3rd party source in the suppressor world. Full stop.

Additionally, some companies are salty because they either don't do well on PEW or know they wouldn't do well on PEW because their marketing / sales roadmap is based on hype and self testing. That works temporarily until people get sick of seeing, "this is the best suppressor ever" and want to see it actually tested to the extensive scientific and engineering standards of PEW.

 

[omicron1792]

Highly suggest being a member if you are a data nerd and obsessed with suppressor performance like me. If you take the time to learn his ways and throughly learn and read about the reports...you will enjoy seeing his weekly drops.

After heavily researching this topic over the past two months. Nobody is even close to imitating what Jay does. Buying a high end meter (the $40,000 and up kind) and capturing accurate muzzle and ear numbers along with wave form data is only one part of the equation.

I personally think it has taken him decades to perfect the craft of measuring suppressors to the scientific depth that he does. Read his about me. The guy is more qualified than just about anybody.

The growing amount of people that refuse to buy a suppressor without PEW Science data behind it is telling. He's the most trusted 3rd party source in the suppressor world. Full stop.

Additionally, some companies are salty because they either don't do well on PEW or know they wouldn't do well on PEW because their marketing / sales roadmap is based on hype and self testing. That works for some until people get sick of seeing, "this is the best suppressor ever" and want to see it actually tested to the extensive scientific and engineering standards of PEW.

I do think he does good work from what I’ve seen.

I however get more out of seeing the Tbac summit where suppressors are matched against their peers in similar situations. That’s what I get the most out of.

 

[TandKHunting]

I do think he does good work from what I’ve seen.

I however get more out of seeing the Tbac summit where suppressors are matched against their peers in similar situations. That’s what I get the most out of.

I think Summit is valuable, no doubt. It’s great for seeing suppressors side by side under the same conditions.

The limitation is that muzzle and ear peak dB numbers only tell part of the story.

That’s where Pew is different. It’s not just looking at peak..it’s looking at the entire pressure waveform to include impulse duration, decay, secondary spikes, gas behavior, and total energy delivered to the shooter.

Two suppressors can meter the exact same at the muzzle and ear, but behave completely differently.

For example:

Suppressor A might have a sharp impulse that drops off quickly
Suppressor B might have an impulse that lingers longer or has secondary spikes

Even though they meter the same, Suppressor B can deliver more total energy to the ear and be more fatiguing or damaging over time.

That’s why peak dB alone doesn’t determine overall performance.

Same idea with first round pop or consistency. One suppressor might average better numbers across multiple shots but still have worse impulse characteristics because of inconsistent gas management.

Summit shows you what happened in that moment.

Pew helps explain how and why a suppressor actually performs the way it does across the entire shot event.

Both are useful, but they’re measuring different things.

I always thought dB numbers were the most important thing, until you realize that impulse control is damn near as important if not more important. That's what separates a #1 can from a #10 can.

Now, if you can get top dB numbers + dominate impulse....you have a ground breaking suppressor. Only way to know is to submit it to PEW Science. Jay is the only guy who can determine if your engineering meets the hype.

 

[dårlig jeger]

I'm a big fan of PewScience.

Inevitably, the same people will come in an parrot the same old "but he charges money!" criticism. Well, yeah. He does it professionally.

Of course he charges money to test cans. He doesn't just screw them on, shoot, and copy numbers into a spread sheet. If he didn't charge manufacturers, he would essentially be providing R&D for free.

And yes, he charges for his complete reports. But if you can't figure out how to read his data for free, that's on you.

Mostly, I think people just want to skim to dBA or whatever they decide and read a number to compare to other numbers. They don't want an in depth report and a number generated by a proprietary algorithm, even if that algorithm produces numbers that more accurately assess risk to hearing damage.

And I get companies that are just starting maybe can't afford his testing. But I also think some are worried about the results.

In the end, Pew is way, way above anything else out there.

 

[omicron1792]

I think Summit is valuable, no doubt. It’s great for seeing suppressors side by side under the same conditions.

The limitation is that muzzle and ear peak dB numbers only tell part of the story.

That’s where Pew is different. It’s not just looking at peak..it’s looking at the entire pressure waveform to include impulse duration, decay, secondary spikes, gas behavior, and total energy delivered to the shooter.

Two suppressors can meter the exact same at the muzzle and ear, but behave completely differently.

For example:

Suppressor A might have a sharp impulse that drops off quickly
Suppressor B might have an impulse that lingers longer or has secondary spikes

Even though they meter the same, Suppressor B can deliver more total energy to the ear and be more fatiguing or damaging over time.

That’s why peak dB alone doesn’t determine overall performance.

Same idea with first round pop or consistency. One suppressor might average better numbers across multiple shots but still have worse impulse characteristics because of inconsistent gas management.

Summit shows you what happened in that moment.

Pew helps explain how and why a suppressor actually performs the way it does across the entire shot event.

Both are useful, but they’re measuring different things.

I always thought dB numbers were the most important thing, until you realize that impulse control is damn near as important if not more important. That's what separates a #1 can from a #10 can.

Now, if you can get top dB numbers + dominate impulse....you have a ground breaking suppressor. Only way to know is to submit it to PEW Science. Jay is the only guy who can determine if your engineering meets the hype.

Awesome of you to dig into that and Improve to make the best can possible!

I can see the benefit of those numbers for y’all.

I will say they are too in depth for 99% of people and if i was making a can I would work to get the simple dB at shooters ear as low as possible, while working the rest in the background.

Nice work!