Paradox of choice paralysis....

[PaulB84]

S&B Polar or Leica Amplus 6. No way would I buy a "forever scope" without spectacular low light performance.

Lol damnit. See....why can't we have it all?!

 

[KenLee]

Lol damnit. See....why can't we have it all?!

I think i have it all with my Mangus i...but they are no longer for sale in US. Amplus is almost as good for significantly less $

 

[PaulB84]

Most of my rifles have VX6s, but my last 2 were built with Trijicon Credo HXs. I had 1 VX6 lose its zero, I caught it before my hunt but I lost a lot of confidence in the scope. I've been really impressed with the Trijicons so far and based on reviews, I have a lot of confidence that it won't lose zero. This is the version I got, it's got the illuminated reticle, but it's SFP. There are some FFP versions, worth your consideration.

https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-credo-hx-4-16x50-riflescope

Been trying to figure out the difference between the Credos and the Tenmiles. I've heard they're identical internally but the Tenmiles are above 16x max magnification? Can anyone confirm or deny that?

Is the Accupoint lineup old news at this point in favor of the Credos and Tenmiles?

 

[PaulB84]

I think i have it all with my Mangus i...but they are no longer for sale in US. Amplus is almost as good for significantly less $

Whoa. Why is the Leica so cheap? When you mentioned it next to the Polar I was expecting a 3-4k price tag.

 

[KenLee]

Whoa. Why is the Leica so cheap? When you mentioned it next to the Polar I was expecting a 3-4k price tag.

Their pricing and lack of marketing in the US bumfuzzles me. I have four ER 5 Leica scopes w 4a reticles that are are nice as any non illuminated scopes. Paid less than $700 each for them. Paid $2500 for my 56mm magnus i.

 

[BCDJR]

If you go SP then Swarovski would be ok . I’m sure you know they do not do well with ballistic turrets. The new plus model is reportedly fixed that issue.

 

[Shraggs]

Been trying to figure out the difference between the Credos and the Tenmiles. I've heard they're identical internally but the Tenmiles are above 16x max magnification? Can anyone confirm or deny that?

Is the Accupoint lineup old news at this point in favor of the Credos and Tenmiles?

I’m in Michigan too been using trijcon since they first introduced the rifle scope line, then the accupoint.

Accupoints are amazing but I would classify them as your typical MBR, though they will dial and back reliably the turrets are caped and limited range.

Generally credo leans ffp and mil options but has exceptions, where credo hx leans more sfp moa but also has exceptions. Organized product categories is not their strong suit!

My understanding is tenmiles are identically built with higher mag range.

I have a few credos and accupoints if you want to view and shoot sone. Dm me if you’d like.

 

[PaulB84]

I’m in Michigan too been using trijcon since they first introduced the rifle scope line, then the accupoint.

Accupoints are amazing but I would classify them as your typical MBR, though they will dial and back reliably the turrets are caped and limited range.

Generally credo leans ffp and mil options but has exceptions, where credo hx leans more sfp moa but also has exceptions. Organized product categories is not their strong suit!

My understanding is tenmiles are identically built with higher mag range.

I have a few credos and accupoints if you want to view and shoot sone. Dm me if you’d like.

Thank you very much. That's an incredibly generous offer. I was really set on one of the trijis, leaning towards the FFP 3-18 Tenmile with tree reticle.... Until I watched a couple of videos that showed everything being great up until max magnification when the image just face plants

So either deal with your Max magnification being less than what the scope is capable of or buy better glass sounds like.....

Any thoughts on that?

 

[Shraggs]

I’m a growing longer range hunter and would not attempt an 800+ yard shot on an animal - currently 500 absolutely. Experience and practice in windy mountain terrain is the only way to grow. Just to be honest about me. I’ve shoot steel to 1240 with a 6 power. Up until I was taught and coached I felt I needed high magnification, but I don’t especially hunting. That’s not true for everyone here. Many guys way more skilled than I like high magnification.

I’m not comfortable with that much magnification or the weight or form size factor. So the wash out you describe at 18x would be number 97 on my list of evaluation. My 6x is my favorite for the ranges I can kill out to. So is my 3-9 my favorite but it’s usually on 6x. My 3-15 is second place and stays on 7x and even for target work it has only seen 12.

Ha I don’t mean to not answer your direct question but that is how I looked at the big ten mile vs credo or swfa or maven. Functionally you’re looking at one of the best.

 

[PaulB84]

I’m a growing longer range hunter and would not attempt an 800+ yard shot on an animal - currently 500 absolutely. Experience and practice in windy mountain terrain is the only way to grow. Just to be honest about me. I’ve shoot steel to 1240 with a 6 power. Up until I was taught and coached I felt I needed high magnification, but I don’t especially hunting. That’s not true for everyone here. Many guys way more skilled than I like high magnification.

I’m not comfortable with that much magnification or the weight or form size factor. So the wash out you describe at 18x would be number 97 on my list of evaluation. My 6x is my favorite for the ranges I can kill out to. So is my 3-9 my favorite but it’s usually on 6x. My 3-15 is second place and stays on 7x and even for target work it has only seen 12.

Ha I don’t mean to not answer your direct question but that is how I looked at the big ten mile vs credo or swfa or maven. Functionally you’re looking at one of the best.

Yeah you're definitely speaking my language.

I'm building out a "dream rifle out west gun" but like you I'm a Midwest forest hunter who kills most things with a bow at 25 yards and uses a 450 Bushmaster for "long shots" out to about 100-125

Ive played on some 1000 yard ranges but like you i have a very long way to go (ha) in terms of even medium range hunting let alone long range.

I'm glad you responded as you did since it's pretty much exactly how I feel. And I don't want the weight of a 5-20 or something like that. I love my 5-20 when I'm trying to shoot bughole groups at the range, but I hunt with red dots, 1-4x, 1-6x, 3-9xs etc.

So brass tacks: think the 3-18x44 Tenmile would be a good choice for a "maybe forever, or maybe just a great scope that later gets upgraded" option?

 

[PaulB84]

I’m a growing longer range hunter and would not attempt an 800+ yard shot on an animal - currently 500 absolutely. Experience and practice in windy mountain terrain is the only way to grow. Just to be honest about me. I’ve shoot steel to 1240 with a 6 power. Up until I was taught and coached I felt I needed high magnification, but I don’t especially hunting. That’s not true for everyone here. Many guys way more skilled than I like high magnification.

I’m not comfortable with that much magnification or the weight or form size factor. So the wash out you describe at 18x would be number 97 on my list of evaluation. My 6x is my favorite for the ranges I can kill out to. So is my 3-9 my favorite but it’s usually on 6x. My 3-15 is second place and stays on 7x and even for target work it has only seen 12.

Ha I don’t mean to not answer your direct question but that is how I looked at the big ten mile vs credo or swfa or maven. Functionally you’re looking at one of the best.

Yeah you're definitely speaking my language.

I'm building out a "dream rifle out west gun" but like you I'm a Midwest forest hunter who kills most things with a bow at 25 yards and uses a 450 Bushmaster for "long shots" out to about 100-125

Ive played on some 1000 yard ranges but like you i have a very long way to go (ha) in terms of even medium range hunting let alone long range.

I'm glad you responded as you did since it's pretty much exactly how I feel. And I don't want the weight of a 5-20 or something like that.

So brass tacks: think the 3-18x44 Tenmile would be a good choice for a "maybe forever, or maybe just a great scope that later gets upgraded"

to futher complicate things: if it was between a NF 4-16 ATACR for a grand more than the Tenmile, with what seems like really similar features and stats to me, which would you pick?

 

[kkp005]

I wouldn’t go with a Swarovski . I’ve got a Nx8 2.5-20 f1 and nothing has really impressed me about it.. I much prefer my Maven rs1.2 and Triji credos (even though they are 2ndFp) ..

 

[PaulB84]

I might have to just impulsively snag a Tenmile and then decide to either run it or upgrade. The analysis paralysis is making more lost to indecision than wrong decision

 

[Shraggs]

The 3-18 tenmile is owned and used by many members on rokslide who praise it, I believe it was in the durable drop tests and did very well. By any measure regardless of a you tube video on high magnification washout it is in the top 1% of scopes on the market in my opinion. You can’t go wrong with it.

My response was based on my preference for moderate magnification (3-12), mil, ffp and a simpler ie less busy reticle. I can’t recall if you had preference on the later three points or not. Based on my four listed and a proven retention of zero that narrows things down to swfa or the current rs1.2 maven.

If money was no concern I’d have a s&b or two… if I were to commit to a trijicon now it would be the tenmile or the credo 2.5-10 36mm - but Christmas trees aren’t my preference. I’d also read the thread “would you buy this scope” as there is a scope being developed that ideally lines up with my above preferences perfectly. Maybe you too.

Edit seeing your last. I’ve owned NF, fantastic scopes but reticle options aren’t for me. Actar by any measurement is also 1% class tool.

 

[PaulB84]

The 3-18 tenmile is owned and used by many members on rokslide who praise it, I believe it was in the durable drop tests and did very well. By any measure regardless of a you tube video on high magnification washout it is in the top 1% of scopes on the market in my opinion. You can’t go wrong with it.

My response was based on my preference for moderate magnification (3-12), mil, ffp and a simpler ie less busy reticle. I can’t recall if you had preference on the later three points or not. Based on my four listed and a proven retention of zero that narrows things down to swfa or the current rs1.2 maven.

If money was no concern I’d have a s&b or two… if I were to commit to a trijicon now it would be the tenmile or the credo 2.5-10 36mm - but Christmas trees aren’t my preference. I’d also read the thread “would you buy this scope” as there is a scope being developed that ideally lines up with my above preferences perfectly. Maybe you too.

Edit seeing your last. I’ve owned NF, fantastic scopes but reticle options aren’t for me. Actar by any measurement is also 1% class tool.

While money certainly isn't "of no concern" for this purchase I've saved up to buy almost anything mentioned so far.

The question is does a S&B Polar or similar get me 2x what the Tenmile does? I don't LOVE the Xmas tree reticle but I feel like I could make it work. If you just go straight mil dot FFP, do you dial.for elevation then use the reticle for wind calls?

 

[Shraggs]

I’m sure a few will chime in, they all have made the tree work. You just learn to use or ignore it.

One of the Alaska based guys above is first hand knowledgeable on that comparison. Maybe he’ll chime in. But if you search there is a lot of information on s&b here. I believe formidious here has noted that in Europe they hunt with them at night…

 

[PaulB84]

Yeah their light transmission is insane. Is it worth 2x Tenmiles, is another question that I guess only I can answer lol

Edit: damn. Some of the Polars on Eurooptic are in the sub2k realm. But not seeing drop/windage reticles.

I’m sure a few will chime in, they all have made the tree work. You just learn to use or ignore it.

One of the Alaska based guys above is first hand knowledgeable on that comparison. Maybe he’ll chime in. But if you search there is a lot of information on s&b here. I believe formidious here has noted that in Europe they hunt with them at night…

 

[PaulB84]

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This is getting really hard to resist. Might not be the best long range scope but if I go back to my roots and run MPBR with something flat shooting this would be a fantastic choice

 

[JimIsland]

S&B Polar or Leica Amplus 6. No way would I buy a "forever scope" without spectacular low light performance.

This! If I could only have one scope to cover all of my hunting, it would have to have excellent low light properties. it would also have to be tough with a zoom range that would cover close shots, but capable of reaching out a good ways. My Polar 4-16X56 checks off all these boxes. It's a tad heavy however, I think the trade off for robustness is worth it.

 

[PaulB84]

This! If I could only have one scope to cover all of my hunting, it would have to have excellent low light properties. it would also have to be tough with a zoom range that would cover close shots, but capable of reaching out a good ways. My Polar 4-16X56 checks off all these boxes. It's a tad heavy however, I think the trade off for robustness is worth it.

I'm like 90% set on the Polar after all this

The only thing I can't figure out is the turrets. If I get a basic duplex reticle, am I going to be limited to mpbr? I know they offer many other reticle options but currently Eurooptic has a couple screaming deals on certain models of the Polar and they all seem to have the basic reticles. What turrets/reticle are you running?