Outdoor life suppressor testing

[RyanT26]

It’s nice to see outdoor life putting this test out. Results are at the end of video.

 

[fisherman983]

Thats gonna hurt some feelings

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[Escalante11]

full specs posted at bottom of this link:

We Tested More Than 100 Suppressors and Brake Combos for Sound and Recoil

This revolutionary new protocol is the most complete look yet at suppressor performance in terms of their sound and recoil reduction

www.outdoorlife.com

 

[wind gypsy]

Very cool stuff. So much cool stuff available and on the horizon.

My main gripe with the test is sound readings at muzzle vs shooters ear. Cans will test significantly different based on this metric and some braked cans can perform well at muzzle but shitty at shooters ear which I care about much more. Curious how those tenet cans are at shooters ear.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Very cool stuff. So much cool stuff available and on the horizon.

My main gripe with the test is sound readings at muzzle vs shooters ear. Cans will test significantly different based on this metric and some braked cans can perform well at muzzle but shitty at shooters ear which I car about much more. Curious how those tenet cans are at shooters ear.

If they’re testing them all the same, do the numbers really matter? I like the fact that you can compare TBAC, AIRLOCK, tenet, etc in a true apples to apples comparison.

And as someone that shoots magnum rifles, I appreciate the recoil portion.

 

[wind gypsy]

If they’re testing them all the same, do the numbers really matter? I like the fact that you can compare TBAC, AIRLOCK, tenet, etc in a true apples to apples comparison.

And as someone that shoots magnum rifles, I appreciate the recoil portion.

Yes because some perform better at shooters ear than muzzle or vice versa. Look at shooters ear vs mil spec left on tbac rr vs standard Magnus cans in the tbac summit for illustration of this.

I don’t shoot a gun with my ears a meter to the side of the muzzle.

 

[Okie_Poke]

It is very interesting, indeed. I’m going to need some time digesting it. Airlock definitely had a good showing in weight vs sound reduction.

On the recoil testing, especially for the comp cans w/brakes, this limitation in what they measured really sticks out to me:

There’s also the matter of how the recoil is experienced by a shooter versus our test sled.

Some of the suppressor-brake combos that ended up with a higher recoil value shoot flatter and are less disruptive than others that did better in our test. From the shooter’s perspective, recoil only matters to the extent that it throws off our sight picture — or not. A softer-recoiling system (as measured in this test) might have more barrel whip than a suppressor that did “worse.” Just because some cans have lower recoil values doesn’t mean its recoil as experienced by the shooter is necessarily superior.

I’m not sure how you do it, but measuring how well a brake or braked can mitigates muzzle rise seems more important to me than how much it reduces rearward recoil energy. I don’t know how you’d test that in a controlled environment though. And OL specifically flags this limitation in their article.

I really appreciate the work OL put into this and all the companies pushing suppressor technology. This is a great time to be an American.

ETA: this does have me wondering whether to put a recoil x on my original model dead air nomad for NRL Hunter.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Yes because some perform better at shooters ear than muzzle or vice versa. Look at shooters ear vs mil spec left on tbac rr vs standard Magnus cans in the tbac summit for illustration of this.

I don’t shoot a gun with my ears a meter to the side of the muzzle.

I would ask how much variation there is between muzzle and shooters ear. If you have a can that does great at muzzle I would ASSUME you’re going to see excellent results at SE as well. I could very well be wrong in that assumption.

 

[Okie_Poke]

Here’s another video on it:

That video around the 4:30 mark gets into testing muzzle rise on a different day. Neat stuff.

 

[wind gypsy]

I would ask how much variation there is between muzzle and shooters ear. If you have a can that does great at muzzle I would ASSUME you’re going to see excellent results at SE as well. I could very well be wrong in that assumption.

Your assumption is wrong, particularly in the case of cans with brakes on the end. Look at the variance in db amongst cans and then note that a fat bastard brake vs bare muzzle is a 2 db difference at their sampling location - that is a sign.

Look at ‘24 tbac summit - Magnus s RR is 1 dBa QUIETER at muzzle than Magnus S and 12 dBa LOUDER at shooters ear. Which do you care more about?

 

[Ucsdryder]

Your assumption is wrong, particularly in the case of cans with brakes on the end. Look at the variance in db amongst cans and then note that a fat bastard brake vs bare muzzle is a 2 db difference at their sampling location - that is a sign.

Look at ‘24 tbac summit - Magnus s RR is 1 dBa QUIETER at muzzle than Magnus S and 12 dBa LOUDER at shooters ear. Which do you care more about?

Ah, valid. Wasn’t referring to braked cans.

 

[wind gypsy]

Ah, valid. Wasn’t referring to braked cans.

It can vary some with standard end caps too but not as drastically. Nomad Xc was one example I recall from tbac tests. Finished amongst 9” cans at shooters ear and amongst 7” cans at muzzle.

 

[Treelineasassin]

I was there that day for testing. The tenet cans are legit. Their size/weight/recoil numbers, especially braked(likely hearing safe based on muzzle DB) they are likely at the top the game right now.

The sound meter was placed about 3' left of muzzle. I'd think anything around 144db or less on the meter would likely be safe. But I don't know for sure. Yes I'd had like to seen a SE db rating as well, but this is the layout that was chosen.

 

[Huntnpack 2]

Interesting testing & results. I’d like some testing info on OTB suppressors using the same test protocol & how they compare to a muzzle forward can of comparable length.
Also Un-braked vs Braked.

 

[Huntnpack 2]

Good to see manufacturers utilizing hub threads and end cap threads & engineering devices front & back. Reflex units, horizontal & vertical recoil mitigation brakes etc. to maximize efficiency & performance.

 

[Firestone]

Here’s another video on it:

That video around the 4:30 mark gets into testing muzzle rise on a different day. Neat stuff.

Yeah the muzzle control is where the tenet cans are leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. It will soon own the market for hunters carrying a bigger gun.

Light, short, quiet, reduces recoil like a brake, and controls muzzle movement better then anything I have ever seen.

 

[slowelk]

The reaper results were pretty disappointing. It’s louder than the scythe by more than it’s quieter than the nhs. I say this as an owner of both of these.

During development of the reaper I remember direct testing against the scythe and the scythe being louder. In this test the scythe is significantly quieter than the reaper.

Maybe it’s the position of the meter?

Regarding the CGS Hyperion K, I wish they’d have tested it with the flat end cap. I regularly get questions about it at matches because of how good it sounds. I think it’s mostly a tone thing, based on how it has tested at the thunderbeast summit.

 

[RyanT26]

The reaper results were pretty disappointing. It’s louder than the scythe by more than it’s quieter than the nhs. I say this as an owner of both of these.

During development of the reaper I remember direct testing against the scythe and the scythe being louder. In this test the scythe is significantly quieter than the reaper.

Maybe it’s the position of the meter?

Regarding the CGS Hyperion K, I wish they’d have tested it with the flat end cap. I regularly get questions about it at matches because of how good it sounds. I think it’s mostly a tone thing, based on how it has tested at the thunderbeast summit.

Who has doing the testing during development?

 

[slowelk]

Who has doing the testing during development?

All of them I think? US, Ryan Avery, Form.

There are results in this sub forum showing the reaper as quieter than scythe. Testing and posting done by Form.