Not sure how to feel about Tribal Hunting…

[dirtshooter]

Triabl rights just recently changed here on the oregon coast. Each member is allowed 3 deer tags, an elk tag, unlimited cougar tags and 1 bear tag.
Bear season starts June 1 and goes through end of year, nobody else can hunt bears in Oregon until aug 1.
The deer season is Aug 1- Dec 31. 3 deer, any deer.
Elk season is Aug 1 through end of archery season they can shoot a spike or cow with a rifle or bull but I'm not 100% sure on the dates for bull harvest but believe bull is during state archery season. The day after archery season ends they can shoot any bull with a rifle through the end of December.
For them to just have free will to decimate the states game populations at will, just because their great great grand pappy hunted for subsistence is BS.
There isn't a treaty on earth or any planet in any form of reality where this should be allowed. Period. This is for the alsea/stott/siuslaw units. There are some other similar changes for tribes farther south that extend their season and bag limits as well.

Not to me mention all the elk/deer that get slaughtered by the Klamath tribe, and whatever tribes that get to waylay the bulls in NE Oregon. If you support any of this, you suck

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I wish this was the case in Canada, wow!

 

[DAOutfitters208]

Pot meet kettle.

 

[Geewhiz]

I know a native fellow that shot 13 bull elk one year.

 

[Dexter Grayson]

No but they (in Canada anyway) also don't live merely in their traditional ways on the rez either. They hunt with modern tech, modern vehicles, modern everything. Gone are the days of mukluks, moose hide clothes and trad archery tackle. Nothing about it is traditional anymore up here.

They didn’t traditionally live on reservations either, so your point is invalid.

 

[fisherman983]

Pot meet kettle.

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So since my white ancestors may have done that, does it mean I get to do it now?

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[Mojave]

They are not the only self proclaimed native people globally that have this going on.

The Sami of Scandinavia have similar rights.

So do the Aborigines in Australia

and the Maori in New Zealand.

 

[realunlucky]

Interesting topic for sure. I will say without question native Americans have gotten the brunt of atrocities committed by the United States government which was basically genocide.

In that light of those facts, it's no wonder the Tribes give non-tribal opinions zero value. The fact Tribal rights have been debated and challenged, all the way to the supreme court and still up held, should signal overturning thier hunting rights is not very likely.

Fact is Tribes will continue defending their sovereignty and pushing to empower all their legal claims clearly drawn out in all standing treaties.

While it's incredible to read what the US government promised them, it's still unclear how, without revoking their individual sovereignty, how they can be legally denied those outlined rights?



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[Stubborn_bowhunter]

As mentioned before some of them have really great conservation systems going on. I believe if more would be open to implementing similar strategies then they could have a huge source of revenue and so much more opportunity for their tribe. It seems to be a grey area though. I don't blame them. I probably wouldn't want it to be regulated if I had been able to hunt an area every single year.

Although, where I'm at I've seen plenty of people using tags from the rez on public land because they know game and fish can't get to them before they get back across.
Anytime poaching reports go out along those areas the wardens ask "how far are they from the gates?" Then just let it be because they know they can't do anything about it once they cross.

I've come to wonder that if you're a resident of a sovereign nation should non resident fees apply for public land hunts?

 

[realunlucky]

I've come to wonder that if you're a resident of a sovereign nation should non resident fees apply for public land hunts?

The debate starts and ends in the fact that these treaty rights predate all state rights.


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[roadrunner]

Is it a right to those people?

Gun rights? That was the comparison used...

 

[LostArra]

Native American law is possibly the most convoluted and misunderstood area of American law but without Indian casinos we couldn't still see Journey, REO Speedwagon, Styx and Creedence Clearwater Revisited.

 

[roadrunner]

In that light of those facts, it's no wonder the Tribes give non-tribal opinions zero value. The fact Tribal rights have been debated and challenged, all the way to the supreme court and still up held, should signal overturning thier hunting rights is not very likely.

Fact is Tribes will continue defending their sovereignty and pushing to empower all their legal claims clearly drawn out in all standing treaties.


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They don't overturn anything because they don't have the interest is a long drawn out battle that would ultimately end in the ending of treaties and special "rights".

 

[sndmn11]

Gun rights? That was the comparison used...

Any right.

The logic being used in the original post is exemplified by the few words I quoted from it. I summarized, and expressed it as what gun control folks say.

You eluded to a belief that "rights" have a different status depending on different factors. I am asking you for clarification of your statement/opinion. Are the rights of a Native American less valuable than rights guaranteed to others?

 

[Duh]

Depending on the tribe it’s exactly how it works. I live a mile from two and work on both daily have a lot of experience.

So that makes you an expert? Both of those tribes have an enrollment process.

 

[dirtshooter]

They didn’t traditionally live on reservations either, so your point is invalid.

Nah I disagree. They have the option to leave the rez and the option to only use trad techniques. I would be fine with subsistence hunting if only trad gear was used. Don't need a rokstock tikka 6UM to go hunt traditionally.....

 

[JohnJohnson]

The fact Tribal rights have been debated and challenged, all the way to the supreme court and still up held, should signal overturning thier hunting rights is not very likely.

If it went to the Supreme Court I think Gorsuch would try to find a way to give Oklahoma back to them. It's so interesting that he's a boilerplate conservative other than native rights.

 

[taskswap]

I thought this forum was supposed to be apolitical? Why does it matter how any of us "feels about it?" As others have mentioned, it's a right that was granted at the federal level superseding not only any state involvement but ALSO our opinions. There's so much history and context being omitted here it's almost comical.

 

[dirtshooter]

They are not the only self proclaimed native people globally that have this going on.

The Sami of Scandinavia have similar rights.

So do the Aborigines in Australia

and the Maori in New Zealand.

Not sure about Scandinavia but Australia and New Zealand don't seem to be lacking game to hunt and having huge long wait periods or even restrictions on animals that can be hunted like North America.

Here in AB we had a Bison hunt for a long time then it was taken away and we had it back one year before it was taken away again. Same with Mountain Goat they closed that hunt for a while and this year is the first year in years that it is back and I wonder what next year will bring.

 

[Reburn]

Native American law is possibly the most convoluted and misunderstood area of American law but without Indian casinos we couldn't still see Journey, REO Speedwagon, Styx and Creedence Clearwater Revisited.

Point in fact REO speedwagon broke up 4 days ago.

REO Speedwagon Breaking Up Due To “Irreconcilable Differences”

REO Speedwagon will soon be no more. The rock band — whose decades-long run spawned the number one hits “Can’t Fight This Feeling” and “Keep On Loving You” — today announced their breakup due to “irreconcilable differences” between bandmates Bruce Hall and Kevin Cronin.

www.stereogum.com

 

[svivian]

The amount of misinformation and assumptions in this thread is astounding.