Not many noslers

[K9kodi]

Im saying they are the best or others are better im
Merely curious as before I purchased my last rifle I was looking at the nosler cartridges, specifically 26 or 28 nosler.

Is there not a large following for them like some of the other odd rounds or wild cats

 

[bnewt3]

I would bet its mostly a combination of economics(reloading and barrel life) and recoil

 

[Unclecroc]

Nosler rounds are beasts. I’d wager a larger reason they’re not popular is expense, limited availability in rifles and high recoil.
But they’re good cartridges that are well thought out but you’re gonna pay to play just like a weatherby.

 

[K9kodi]

I see a lot of outside the box rounds here on the forums. Are they anymore expensive reload then 270 or 30-06 or 300wm?

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Is this a real question? Check brass prices. Look at how much powder they use. Check out a barrel life calculator. The $$$ will show you why they aren't the choice of guys who want to shoot the gun a bunch. Combine that with the increasing knowledge about wound volume and impact velocity for good upset and you'll see why the more knowledgeable hunters aren't picking them either.

 

[bnewt3]

270/30-06 brass is near the bottom as far as cost across the spectrum. 300WM jumps up a bit, the Noslers jump way up in cost by about 2x over 270/30-06(peterson vs peterson)

reloading cost is largely a volume thing. the higher the volume, the wider the gaps in cost become(total cost, not price per round).

for instance, 6.5 creedmoor uses about half the powder that 26 nosler uses. if you reload 100 its not that big a deal(4250ish grains vs 7050gr) or about $34.60 vs $55.39 using Staball 6.5 for the creed and Staball HD for the Nosler. if you reload 1000, its MUCH more powder cost difference..... $346 vs $553.90

Thats JUST the powder component. Brass being double IMO means you will want to invest in an annealing setup so you can make the brass last as long as possible.

EDIT: my initial math was wrong....forgot some zeros, corrected
EDIT2: math was still wrong, and used Staball HD for Nosler, corrected

 

[One300wsm]

Is this a real question? Check brass prices. Look at how much powder they use. Check out a barrel life calculator. The $$$ will show you why they aren't the choice of guys who want to shoot the gun a bunch. Combine that with the increasing knowledge about wound volume and impact velocity for good upset and you'll see why the more knowledgeable hunters aren't picking them either.

I’m just curious are you saying example, a
7 SAUM/7 PRC with a 180 ELD-M will kill better than a 28 Nosler with a 180 ELD-M ?

 

[One300wsm]

270/30-06 brass is near the bottom as far as cost across the spectrum. 300WM jumps up a bit, the Noslers jump way up in cost by about 2x over 270/30-06(peterson vs peterson)

reloading cost is largely a volume thing. the higher the volume, the wider the gaps in cost become(total cost, not price per round).

for instance, 6.5 creedmoor uses about half the powder that 26 nosler uses. if you reload 100 its not that big a deal(4250ish grains vs 8000+gr) or about $346 vs $651.44 using Staball 6.5 but im not sure what powder Nosler uses,. if you reload 1000, its MUCH more powder cost..... $3460.78 vs $6514.40

Thats JUST the powder component. Brass being double IMO means you will want to invest in an annealing setup so you can make the brass last as long as possible.

EDIT: my initial math was wrong....forgot some zeros, corrected

Well said and with that said most people would purchase one with just longer range hunting in mind. Don’t purchase one if you’re not going to be shooting over 400 yards there’s way better choices less expensive and less recoil.

 

[bnewt3]

I’m just curious are you saying example, a
7 SAUM/7 PRC with a 180 ELD-M will kill better than a 28 Nosler with a 180 ELD-M ?

I *think* hes saying that enough is enough and we can go pretty "small" or "low power" and still be enough. Or said a different way.......26 Nosler doesnt make animals any deader than 7PRC.

Thats how I took it anyway.

 

[One300wsm]

I *think* hes saying that enough is enough and we can go pretty "small" or "low power" and still be enough. Or said a different way.......26 Nosler doesnt make animals any deader than 7PRC.

Thats how I took it anyway.

Yea to 28 Nosler about 10 grains more H1000 than a 7 PRC for same results agree But he did add the old wound channel BS in there. The wound channel between the two would be the same with both using a 1-8 twist barrel. And if you think a 6CM at 500 yards is going to have more killing power than a 28 Nosler or a 7 PRC you’re mistakenly fooled.

 

[SDHNTR]

Because they are simply unnecessary.

 

[One300wsm]

I would bet its mostly a combination of economics(reloading and barrel life) and recoil

That’s a great answer.

 

[bnewt3]

Yea to 28 Nosler about 10 grains more H1000 than a 7 PRC for same results agree But he did add the old wound channel BS in there. The wound channel between the two would be the same with both using a 1-8 twist barrel. And if you think a 6CM at 500 yards is going to have more killing power than a 28 Nosler or a 7 PRC you’re mistakenly fooled.

agreed

 

[bnewt3]

Im saying they are the best or others are better im
Merely curious as before I purchased my last rifle I was looking at the nosler cartridges, specifically 26 or 28 nosler.

Is there not a large following for them like some of the other odd rounds or wild cats

I think a decent comparison is old big block muscle cars vs modern "muscle cars". Huge, heavy, inefficient engines vs smaller, lighter, more efficient engines. Newer cars are much nicer to drive(less recoil) and use less gas(powder).

Weatherby Magnums largely fall into this bucket with the Noslers.

An "old" way of thinking is to put a ton of powder behind a bullet and launch it as fast as possible, not too much else to it. Its not necessarily wrong. Its effective. But it also comes with downsides, maybe the biggest one being recoil.

A more modern way of thinking(although its actually a very old concept ie: 6.5x55) is "how can we package a cartridge so that we use the minimum amount of powder to launch a more streamlined bullet at a velocity and therefore trajectory that is effective.

Thats efficiency: Nosler takes nearly double the powder to add ~600fps to a 6.5 Creed(140gr vs 140gr). thats 40% more powder to get 18% more velocity. For the vast majority of hunters, thats completely unnecessary cost and recoil.

Basically opposite ways of thinking. One is brute force, the other is "what is the desired result, now work back from there"

The Noslers combine parts of both, but the formula keeps the big recoil.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

I’m just curious are you saying example, a
7 SAUM/7 PRC with a 180 ELD-M will kill better than a 28 Nosler with a 180 ELD-M ?

No, the higher the impact velocity with the same bullet the bigger the diameter of the wound and the less the penetration will be. My point is that fragmenting bullets at modest impact velocities make wounds that are more than adequate, and often larger than a higher velocity "tough" hunting bullet designed for maximum penetration.

Fragmenting bullets at high impact velocities make huge wounds, far beyond what most people want or need, you see this in places where people talk about the bullet coming apart or grenading. So they solve that problem by grabbing a magnum of any flavor, loading it with an accubond or Barnes, and proceeding to spend a lot of money and endure a lot of recoil to make wounds that are smaller than they'd get with something like a 223 or 243 with a fragmenting bullet.

 

[nm.otter]

To be fair, .22 Nosler has real potential -- a bit more capacity than .22 ARC, but in a .378" bolt face. Too bad it never took off.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Bad cartridge design, bad marketing, and bad production.... not a good trifecta.

 

[One300wsm]

No, the higher the impact velocity with the same bullet the bigger the diameter of the wound and the less the penetration will be. My point is that fragmenting bullets at modest impact velocities make wounds that are more than adequate, and often larger than a higher velocity "tough" hunting bullet designed for maximum penetration.

Fragmenting bullets at high impact velocities make huge wounds, far beyond what most people want or need, you see this in places where people talk about the bullet coming apart or grenading. So they solve that problem by grabbing a magnum of any flavor, loading it with an accubond or Barnes, and proceeding to spend a lot of money and endure a lot of recoil to make wounds that are smaller than they'd get with something like a 223 or 243 with a fragmenting bullet.

Too funny!! Best of the West was doing this when most on here were in diapers. They used a 7mmRM with a Berger 160 gr VLD bullet, they made Berger what it is today dumping animals at 500 to 1000 yards DRT. To say a 28 Nosler cant do the same is non sense. I’m an EXO Mountain gear user and love their stuff. Steve shoots a 6 CM and his buddy Jake shoots a 7 SAUM and if you watch the Alaska video you will see the 7SAUM caribou is DRT and the 6CM caribou sucks it up same with the moose. I own and shoot a 204 Ruger, 222rem, 223rem,6CM, 243win,25CM, 6.5CM, 6.5RPM, 270wsm, 7mm08, 280AI, 7RM, 7STW, 28 Nosler, 300 Blackout, 308win, 300wsm, 300wm, 338RPM, 450 bushmaster, 460 S&W, 45-70Gov., 45-70 turned into a smokeless muzzleloader I’ve used numerous types of bullets from 45gr Hornady to a 300gr Parker and killed my fair share of animals more than most so I’m not ignorant to the fact of what can kill what and some people don’t mind recoil. Any living creature shot through the lungs is going to die common knowledge. It’s funny if you talk about the small calibers and target bullets on here you get silenced and cancelled like leftest liberals use to do on Twitter, thank god for Elon Musk. So let’s see if I get silenced for an opinion that’s normally what happens.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

What does any of that have to do with why noslers big cartridges have dwindling popularity?

 

[K9kodi]

Is this a real question? Check brass prices. Look at how much powder they use. Check out a barrel life calculator. The $$$ will show you why they aren't the choice of guys who want to shoot the gun a bunch. Combine that with the increasing knowledge about wound volume and impact velocity for good upset and you'll see why the more knowledgeable hunters aren't picking

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